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| | | I just built my Metroliner. Fun! But I'm not so sure I like that black nose, what is the general feeling on this? Should my <-> company paint (Change out) the black nose for a more conventional gray? (The company bought some gray nose parts last (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Reinhard "Ben" Beneke
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| | | | | (...) My company did it once, but the philosophy changed later... I think now: there are Lego sets and if it is a design by TLC, then I will have it in the way it was meant. Even if it is an "ugly" design (as sets 7720 engine), it is not my job to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Mark Chan
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| | | | | | (...) I alternated between the two, leaving black on for a week, and gray on for a week, until I determined which one I liked better. I stuck with gray. I can see Ben's point about keeping models "Lego set pure" (most of mine are), or else build a (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Josh Baakko
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| | | | | | I think the black was to make it look like an anti-sunglare paint. Josh (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) Buy two and do one each way. One of mine is graynosed. I think it looks better but YMMV. (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Mark Williams
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| | | | | | (...) I prefer the gray nose but where do I get the gray noses? I have checked on BrickBay but only found black ones. BTW: I just got my Metroliner and Club Car today. Purchased LOCALLY! (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Tony Hafner
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| | | | | | | (...) The Flying Time Vessel <set:6493> has one- that's the only grey one I know of. The top slope piece came in grey on the Whirlwind Rescue chopper <set:8856>. -- Tony Hafner www.hafhead.com (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Dean Husby
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| | | | | | (...) Where and how? Dean (23 years ago, 3-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Mark Williams
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| | | | | | (...) There's a LEGO outlet store in Dawsonville, GA (about an hour north of Atlanta) at an outlet mall. They received a shipment of 10001 and 10002 on Thursday. (23 years ago, 3-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | (...) ::Thinks:: For crying out loud, it's Lego! Build what you want! Build it with grey ones. If you don't like it, change it back. Have you paid for it? Yes? Well, it's yours now. Go crazy. Have some FUN! Sorry, did I think that out loud? Anyway, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —James Powell
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| | | | | | | (...) Please. It's a Diseasal, so it'll look ugly whichever one you use :) I _do_ own 3 steam railway engines...even if they are 'only' 3/4" scale, and can only pull ~1000 lbs or so (well, 2 of 3 can). I am also building my metroliner 10001 today. (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Josh Baakko
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hey all of my diesel's are beautiful to me! Although the steamersare still awsome. Josh (...) (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Dean Husby
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| | | | | | | (...) Woha there. Hold onto them stallions... (...) Actually, isn't it electric? The pantographs (?) at the top should give it away... (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) heehee....touche:-) -John (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) No, touchy :-) Anyway, here's a real engine (since improved... more pics later): (URL) J Railton (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ooh... that's cute. I especially like how you worked the letters and gold trim into the tender side. Very nice work indeed. Can't wait for more pics. But please note, I DID say "that's cute" not "that's a big brawny beefy serious engine you (...) (23 years ago, 29-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Tim David
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| | | | | | | | (...) <snip> (...) I'd actually say that WAS a brawny beefy loco (i know thats not what you mean larry!) I think that british locos (both steam and diesel/electric) are harder to reproduduce because they have all their pipework etc hidden away, thus (...) (23 years ago, 30-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Jason J. Railton
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| | | | | | | | (...) Thanks for the compliments, Larry and Tim. I'll do some more pictures when I get some time. I've got a cheap camera, so I need to experiment to get good lighting. Tim's right, it's hard to capture the character of trains like this through (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) c /ugly/elegant and efficient/ Grow up, people. Steam lost. It costs too much. (23 years ago, 28-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Rick Clark
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| | | | | | (...) Yikes! Did you mean for your response to Jason's joke to sound so venomous? I didn't think the discussion was intended to upset. Also, for die-hard, steam fans, steam may have lost, but it's far from dead, and who knows, it seems it could (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Venemous??? Hardly! (...) I don't think it did! Jason's slagging me right back. (...) Plenty cool. Don't get me wrong, steam is neat. Steam engines are impressive. It's just not practical. It can never convert as high a percentage of input (...) (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'd take serious challenge to that statement. The best steam only power plants are in the 45-47% range of effiency (input to output). Mind you, they DON"T MOVE!... When done correctly, steam has a cycle effiency of ~12% on the rails (I can get (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) You can challenge it all you want. But you're not arguing with ME, you're arguing with thermodynamics. (unless you can show I've misapplied it) (...) and I bet their operating temperature differential is higher, too, being stationary. That's (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I'm not, since that can lead to ratios greater than one which is wrong. It's (operating - ambient)/operating which means run in colder climates (absolute zero is ideal if you can find it... hence heat engines can be quite efficient in shaded (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam power (was: something else...) —John Gerlach
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Since I'm quite sure you are arguing (Larry? Argue??) temperatures that are well above the range that LEGO trains run, I'd suggest .off-topic.geek... JohnG, GMLTC (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam power (was: something else...) —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) lol good point, J-1-- getting a little too esoteric for we simple folk;-) J-2 (...) (23 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Steam power (was: something else...) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Whilst we are getting all esoteric about steam engines, I was reminded of a presentation I saw a week so ago which partly covered Brunel's “Atmospheric Railway”. Basically, IKB tried to built a steam powered railway without a “locomotive”… and (...) (23 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) I can ask, but I believe the info was 1050F x3 reheat stages, and 47.5% overall. Yes, they are all governed by Carnot cycle (diesel and steam both...) (...) Yep. So did Stirling, who had it even better, since his cycle with regenerator is (...) (23 years ago, 2-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) lol I don't think that that was Lar's intention at all, Rick. I think his troll is worse than his byte... (ouch, even *I* grimaced at that one:-) ++John (23 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Ross Crawford
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| | | | (...) For those who haven't seen one with a grey nose, Paul B kindly lent me 2 of his grey noses, and I took a side-by-side shot. I think I still prefer the black, but I'm not sure yet... (URL) (23 years ago, 13-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Rick Clark
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| | | | | (...) I think I prefer the grey, but that seems to be non-prototypical (in as far as the Metroliner is based on the Metroliner): (URL) C. (23 years ago, 13-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | (...) my defunct voyager site are grey nose jobs I did in 1998... (rummages) ah yes.... (2 URLs) that site needs to be overhauled. Embarassingly poor quality pics and a lot of the models are way way non state of the art for nowadays. (23 years ago, 13-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Was there not a white one posted once? By Mike Walsh? Scott A (23 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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| | | | | | Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose —Mike Walsh
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| | | | "Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:GsyM82.Eo@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) Yep, here it is: (URL) need to revisit this train now that train window glass is readily available and more importantly, 6x28 black wagon (...) (23 years ago, 14-Mar-02, to lugnet.trains)
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