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Re: Gray VS. Black Metroliner Nose
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lugnet.trains
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Wed, 31 Oct 2001 11:46:06 GMT
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In lugnet.trains, Rick Clark writes:
> Larry Pieniazek wrote:
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> > In lugnet.trains, Jason J. Railton writes:
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> > > Anyway, it's a diesel, so it'll look ugly whichever one you use. :-)
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> > c /ugly/elegant and efficient/
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> > Grow up, people. Steam lost. It costs too much.
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> Yikes! Did you mean for your response to Jason's joke to sound so
> venomous?
Venemous??? Hardly!
> I didn't think the discussion was intended to upset
I don't think it did! Jason's slagging me right back.
> Also, for die-hard, steam fans, steam may have lost, but it's far from
> dead, and who knows, it seems it could still make a comeback! Check it
> out: Modern steam locomotive developments:
> http://www.steam.demon.co.uk/trains/modern.htm
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> And if you want to ride a steam train in the US (Steam railways are
> noted):
> States A-M
> http://www.railsusa.com/tourist.shtml
> States N-Z
> http://www.railsusa.com/tourist2.shtml
Thanks for the info, I've ridden lots and will surely ride more.
> Or see a steam train somewhere in the rest of the world (often still in
> operation!):
> http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/steam/internat.htm#Country
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> How cool is that?
Plenty cool.
Don't get me wrong, steam is neat. Steam engines are impressive. It's just
not practical. It can never convert as high a percentage of input energy to
work as an engine operating at higher temperatures (this is a basic fact of
Carnot cycle engines you cannot escape unless you can repeal the laws of
thermodynamics), and it's not as simple to support as diesel or electric.
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| (...) I'd take serious challenge to that statement. The best steam only power plants are in the 45-47% range of effiency (input to output). Mind you, they DON"T MOVE!... When done correctly, steam has a cycle effiency of ~12% on the rails (I can get (...) (25 years ago, 1-Nov-01, to lugnet.trains)
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| (...) Yikes! Did you mean for your response to Jason's joke to sound so venomous? I didn't think the discussion was intended to upset. Also, for die-hard, steam fans, steam may have lost, but it's far from dead, and who knows, it seems it could (...) (25 years ago, 31-Oct-01, to lugnet.trains)
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