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Re: CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP! CRAP!
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Tue, 30 Oct 2001 13:24:49 GMT
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In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Matthew Gerber writes:
> In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Erik L. Knopp writes:
> > In lugnet.technic.bionicle, Dave Low writes:
> > >
> > > In the meantime some of you might like to read the following,
> > >
> > > http://www.culture.co.nz/reo/timatanga.htm
> >
> > Looking around the newslinks at the above site, I found two articles from NZ
> > that give a little more detail on what's happening (urls below, the AP
> > quotes seem to be from the second one). To me, they seem to indicate the
> > line isn't dead, just the use of Maori words without Maori approval.(They
> > also say that LEGO and the Maori are working out the details on how such
> > approval will be given.)
> >
> > Dated 29 Oct 2001
> > <http://www.newsroom.co.nz/story/71376-99999.html>
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> "Maori have stopped international toy maker Lego using Maori names without
> appropriate consultation.
>
> Instead Maori and the toy company are working together to develop a new
> range which respects Maori."
>
> The names are not exclusive. They are common. Who was consulted before using
> the name Jack Stone? No one! Why? It's not exclusive. It's common. You see
> where I'm going with this...
>
> "The lead claimant in the intellectual property case, Dell Wihongi, said
> Maori may now benefit from a relationship with the toy company."
>
> They damn well better not.
>
> "He said Lego had tried to profit from the words without respecting the
> spiritual concepts behind them."
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> The words "priest" and "god" have spiritual concepts behind them. But in the
> end, they are still words available for any public consumption or use.
>
> > Dated 30 Oct 2001
> > <http://www.stuff.co.nz/inl/index/0,1008,991581a1931,FF.html>
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> "Protests from iwi, including one based in Nelson, have helped to convince
> Danish toymaker Lego to stop making a multi-million-dollar range of toys
> that use Maori names.
>
> It may also work with them to produce a range of "authorised" products based
> on Maori designs and knowledge."
>
> I would NEVER buy a toy in this line. EVER. I would stop strangers in toy
> stores who have these toys in their carts and tell them what nasty,
> litigating, selfish jerks the Maori are for getting their message out on the
> cashflow of TLC.
>
> "He said he had been impressed with Lego's attitude and willingness to consult.
>
> He said it was unfortunate that the Government was not as willing as Lego
> was to discuss providing legal protection for Maori intellectual property.
>
> 'Our own Government, our own treaty partner, doesn't want to work with us,
> and here we have a multinational that's willing to.'"
>
> This is the entire point of my contention...the Maori are simply using LEGO
> as a bargaining chip...a stepping stone...the bankroll...to further ther
> real agenda...and they don't give a care if they take down a time-honored,
> family owned business to get their way with their government. DAMNIT!
>
> A still very frustrated Matt
I am surprised at the attitude being displayed by the Lugnet community over
this issue. You are not being very realistic about this whole issue. We
live in a country where a woman, on her own accord spills hot coffee on
herself and wins a multi-million dollar award.
You have a company, like Lego, who goes out of their way to protect every
little bit of their block designs, name and other interests and will sue
without a thought if someone else's bricks look like theirs.
Then you have an entire nation United States Of America, which was stolen
from the indian people of this country we live in, yet, when a company, like
Lego decides to rip-off names from another culture, words that have deep
religous meaning to them, you think they are the ones that are wrong. Well,
I say shame on Lego, first to use the names and then to deny where they
originated, saying they made them up. You should really be saying, shame on
Lego. Here, I thought they came up with all this stuff on their own to find
out they plagiarized it all. Just like you can't copy someone else's work
in school, the business world is just the same.
Now, I may agree with you that they may be partially doing it to get some
monney out of it, but many of them may not. We have a warped sense of what
living comfortably is. Prime example again is the Indians here in the
states. Many of them are rich, due to the casino profits, but they still
choose to live in their old cultural ways.
Please think about this from a different angle then just, "getting money of
of Lego." This is the business world. Just like Lego goes after people
using their company name, the New Zealand people are doing the same...
BK>
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