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Re: French Squadron pics
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Tue, 23 Apr 2002 00:51:29 GMT
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In lugnet.pirates, Kenneth Tam writes:
> > One! Doesn't a sloop only have one?
> > Oh dear. (I thought if it was fore-and-aft (sloop) rigged one mast qualified
> > it as a sloop, two as either a ketch or a yawl - ketch if mizzen in front of
> > rudder post, otherwise yawl), not sure about three. But these may be modern
> > definitions that I picked up when I learned to sail. But my brig is ship >rigged (isn't it?)... I have seen pics of (I think)brig-sloops though, ship >rigged on the main mast, fore-and-aft sails on the mizzen.
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> Ahh, I think we've hit upon the sloop crisis. I've come to associate 'sloop'
> with 'corvette' -- a slightly-smaller-than-a-frigate vessel, Brig- or
> Ship-rigged (oh, back then my understanding is that anything less than 3
> masts wasn't considered 'ship' rigged), though they'd label many sub-classes
> as 'sloops' too.
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> Just for the heck of it, it seems.
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> I just found references of single-mast West Indies sloops, Dutch and even
> 17th Century England versions. The balance of things I've read refering to
> the British fleet labeled single-mast fore-and-aft rigged vessels as
> cutters, at least around these times, and they were pretty popular for
> harrasing the coast of France during the war.
Ahhh.... from a simple chart I saw at a small maritime museum last week (no
reference on it, and no possibility of a copy, unfortunately), a sloop is
one masted fore-and-aft rigged with two sails, a cutter is one masted
fore-and-aft rigged with *more than two* sails (from the illustrations,
extra headsails).
> The French equivalent seems to be the Chase-maree (I doubt that's spelled
> correctly) -- a one or two masted lugger with a few light guns, mainly used
> to guard against cutter or gun-brig raids on coastal convoys, especial when
> Napoleon was getting preped for invasion.
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> Well, either way, it's a ship with guns, and with one mast it's probably a
> pretty handy sailor!
A chase-maree (-marie perhaps?) it is!
Also observed at the same maritime museum were some models of small sailing
ships with unusual gun arrangements, in both cases in the centre of the vessel:
- a large corronade mounted on a long carriage with an anchored pivot point
aft and wheels across the front part of the carriage. Blocks and ropes
either side allowed around a 60 degree arc across the bow.
- a turntable mounting a slide with a small cannon, four blocks and ropes
allowed a more or less 360 degree pivot (and limited the recoil). (Maybe the
Armada Flagship isn't that far off afer all?)
I'm not sure of the accuracy of either of these arrangements, but the rest
of the ships seemed pretty authentic.
Cheers
Richie Dulin
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