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| | | (URL) set from the 1960's--Set #345 (LUGNET Ref-- (URL) ) K, how many people right here in our very group can build this set with the pieces they have in their collection? (Peeron instructions -- (URL) the shrubs and trees, I could probably build at (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | (...) I never had that gate. I REALLY wanted that gate as a kid. Oh wait...I do...I have a Metroliner. I think it's in white. (...) Well, some people want collectable stuff. It's a complete set. There's something to be said for a set of, a (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | | (...) It's funny. My mother-in-law has a Galaxy Explorer that belonged to my wife. She lets my sons play with the pieces, when they visit. She even has the box & instructions. I'd love to buy it from her, just to have it, but she won't give it up. I (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) I'll send you the serial number bricks--I have a few sets of 'em. All the other bricks you probably already have. Dave K (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) I have a few in red if you want 'em (...) And that's what separates the fan from the fanatic. A LEGO piece produced cira 1972 is technically different from one produced in 2007. Yet, for the hobbyist, they do exactly the same job and in (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Ted Godwin
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| | | | | (...) I thought it was nonsense when LEGO had to offer to buy back some of the Maersk container ships when they were able to produce a second run of them. "Collectibles" are a gamble and the "dealers" lost. So sad, thanks for playing. Catering to (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | (...) Well, keeping your consumers somewhat happy, and promoting your public image, can sometimes be a very good way to run a business. As to the collector end of things (i.e., hoarding a commodity to control the market, then making a profit off (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Ted Godwin
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| | | | | | (...) Except that AFOL's are a tiny percentage of their consumers and of those, "collectors" are merely a small percentage. Therefore if they really wanted to keep 99% of their consumers happy they would try to limit the actions of collectors - such (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | (...) it dont matter one hoot wheater it is right, or moral or good or whatever. it is what it IS!! technicaly, that MISB supercar is just some plastic. those structured carbon molocules are just really really HARD but nicely cut diamonds. their (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) Again, if someone gets the 400 dollars for an old set--hey, all teh power to him. However, my personal opinion--jackass. As you say--it's not a matter of 'right or wrong' or morals, because it is, indeed, a matter of opinion. My opinion is (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | | (...) Well, hoarding is fine, Chris loses the opportunity of using that money for something else, or the bricks for something else. (...) It also can't be taken as a loss to the community--come on Dave, Chris paid for it fair and square. These (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | (...) Agreed-if Chris has, hypothetically, some Technic subs sitting in his basement that he plans on selling in some years time for some profit--no issues from me. As stated before, that's not the issue--it's the degree of profit. If Chris puts up (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | | | (...) I disagree. If Chris does a good job of estimating the final purchase price, good for him. He'll save people like you from wasting your time bidding on it, while the price rises from $20 to $100. I don't think it's gouging, if it's a luxury (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | (...) Dave, way to ignore this part. just dont tell janey. she hates it when you mock "art" (...) did you just call me a jackass? :o (...) dave. Im gona call your bluff. I dont think that happened. not with Bricklink. (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Well, let's talk about that, shall we? An art auction (which I've seen mostly on the telly, and only once or twice in person) usually starts each round of bidding with the 'fair market value' of a painting, and people bid up from there. As I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Steve Hassenplug
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) ... (...) Good stories, Dave. But, for the sake of argument, let's say some guy as a $20 LEGO set from 25 years ago. He has a friend that says, "I'll give you $50 for that set." At this point, the guy may say "no" because to him, it has more (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Calum Tsang
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) What in the love of god is fair, though, Dave? Half the people out there in our world don't have the same value or belief systems you or I have, they cheat on their taxes, they buy SUV's which could roll over and kill you, they park in (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) agreed--it is subjective, but again, all of this was my opinion. But just as we can point and laugh about how the weatherman has difficulty predicting the weather conditions 2 weeks out, we can't then assume that the weatherman will be wrong (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —C. L. GunningCook
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ring, ring... "Hello???" "Hi, this is Kettle calling ... I have a message for Mr. Magno, yes, just one word, BLACK!" For the general viewing audience... let me let you in on a little known tidbits of FACTS from the "Book of Magno Trivia"... (...) (18 years ago, 10-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, C. L. GunningCook wrote: <snip> (...) Yo go, girl! We all know that Chris is a closet artsy fartsy person... Dave K -well, maybe just the second part of that... (18 years ago, 10-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —C. L. GunningCook
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) LOL, ok, tell me I'm not the only one that laughed at the idea of Chris being in the closet... about ANYTHING! Janey "I have to get off these cold meds! Red Brick" (18 years ago, 10-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | (...) ya know... this ain't the FIRST time you played the oh-so-sweet, and innocent. we all know the truth. I have the REAL truth on my side. I am a patient man. I will be vindicated! Chris (18 years ago, 11-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —C. L. GunningCook
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| | | | | | | | (...) LOL! "played"??? Nice try on a diversion tactic there, but I do believe in fair play. Which normally includes not calling someone out on something they never claimed in the first place. Here is a novel idea, try disputing the facts. Wink. (...) (18 years ago, 11-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | | (...) Funny; when I first read that, I read 'all I ever wanted growing up was TO BE a pet monkey". I like my version better... it explains so much more about Chris :-). (18 years ago, 11-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Chris Magno
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| | | | | | | | (...) ya know... for a big fancy Dr. type smart guy.. you sure SUCK at figureing out who wrote what. it was JANEY who wants to be a monkey. i dont care for the things ever since the "incient" from a summer working as a kangaroo/chimp pusher. lets (...) (18 years ago, 12-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | | (...) Note: as "a big fancy Dr. type smart guy", I can truely state that you should never, NEVER, confuse an advanced degree with intelligence. The two do not neccessarily correlate. Trust me on this, I have an advanced degree. (...) Huh. I never (...) (18 years ago, 12-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) I guess the thing I'd point out is that collectors really do value their pieces and their sets as more than just the sum of their parts. Here's the thing: for example, if Galaxy Explorers were $20 a pop, they'd be gone. Anyone who was first on (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | | | (...) I value the LEGO parts as more than the sets they comes in. That's why I build with LEGO bricks--if I didn't care about the parts, then I certainly would save lots of money by not buying the sets. And again, the difference between the parts I (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Brian Davis
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| | | | | | | In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, David Koudys wrote (though not in this order, admitedly): (...) Agreed. I don't see a logical, rational reason for such collecting/hoarding etc. That would probably be why you and I are not "collectors". I've only bought (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) I'm not sure I followed you there-- you said you think the set is worth more than just the pieces... but... your argument is that a set should just be sold at the value of the pieces (plus the price of the box and the instructions if (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Kelly McKiernan
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| | | | (...) I guess in this particular instance it's worth what somebody would pay for it. Being someone who's sold a single LEGO piece for two grand, I can see both sides of this. Like you, I wouldn't pay $400 for a set I could easily build from my own (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —Steve Bliss
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| | | | (...) Which leads to another point. I've read some messages in this thread where people has labeled sellers with various negative labels. But in marketplaces like eBay, buyers have the power - it's often bidding wars that run prices up to ridiculous (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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| | | | | | Re: The difference between hobbyists and collectors... —David Koudys
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| | | | (...) Steve, You're just evil by being you ;p I think there's a difference between starting a bid out at a buck and 'seeing what happens'--I always liked that--than starting a bid or putting a 'buy it now' at 400 dollars for what was only 25-30 (...) (18 years ago, 9-Jan-07, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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