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Hey folks, I have updated the rtl21 rules page: (URL) check it over for any inconsistencies and propose any changes you wish to see. The REAL ruler of the free cats (Derek) and I will discuss. Calum (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) could you please add the one other winnig condition dave mentioned earlier: ---from this----- A robot wins the contest immediately if: * The opponent is pulled, removed or knocked off the table. * The opponent has "lost" the rope such that it (...) (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) I don't know this does change strategies significantly. For example playing out the rope would no longer be very effective. You can't release more then 18" of it or you loose. Also makes loosing a hold on your rope an insignificant rule. I (...) (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) but to compare this to a REAL game of tug of war...... your saying that we either HAVE to pull the bot off the table, OR, keep the marker closer to your side for the full 3 minutes? What about 2 equal bots? are we supposed to just sit and (...) (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) No it only has to be on your side at the end of 3 minutes. (...) If they are equal as you say, you'll be watching them for 3 minutes regardless of this rule. (...) Right, but before you could play out around 8 feet before it was a problem. (...) (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Yet in a real tug of war match, that's the only 'real' rule that counts, and the other rules are ones that we just added. So are we going to let our 'bots play 'real' tug 0f war' or are we going to just make a 'pseudo' tug of war match? Dave K (18 years ago, 31-May-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) While you have valid ideas, Im not sure what your "motive" is behind this rule addition. I dont see any advantage to forcing us to watch the game for the full 3 min, if one robot is clearly winning. What other strategys exist that would offer (...) (18 years ago, 1-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Who knows? Maybe it's a pneumatic actuator that takes that long to fill up a tank and then actuate? A slowly geared robot? Something that races to the far end of the table? If the middle Marker Point going over the start line at 18" is instant (...) (18 years ago, 1-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Wait a minute, I'm not the one adding a rule after the rule page as been up for months. What's your motive. :-) (...) I'm also not saying the match has to go 3 minutes. As you say below, a gentleman's agreement to end the match early is alway (...) (18 years ago, 1-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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In lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto, Derek Raycraft wrote: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Well, I'm not completely adamant about the 'flag crosing the 18 inch line for a win', but if a 'bot gets the flag to the 18 inch mark, the chances are the other 'bot is in (...) (18 years ago, 1-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Personally I have no strong feelings either. Other then I'd like a resolution so I can get on with building. (...) As for "true" tug o' war, I think the rules are simple: Two guy, a rope, and a mud puddle. The one that falls in looses. Rules (...) (18 years ago, 1-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) UNLESS, the other bot plays out the rope. (...) I am fine either way as well. I have ideas, and counter ideas for most known ploys. When the idea was first pointed out, I saw this new rule addition turing the game from "loop holes" to a game (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Think? I try not to think. It hurts too much. I still haven't built a bot, as my son and his friend have my RCX tied up.... but it has made me think about: 1) battery box solution 2) pull back motor(s) solution 3) pie mmmmmm pie. I like pie. (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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All, Do you see NOW why i have to rule with a iron fist!!!! this is what i have to work with: Rob Antonishen wrote: (snip) (...) Geesh. Chris :) (18 years ago, 2-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) You guys are funny. You often talk about setting up the rules as vague as possible, to allow many different strategies. However, when the strategies don't conform to the predetermined list of valid strategies, they're called "loopholes", so (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) That's why I'm not in favour of adding this third rule, and I haven't called it a loophole. I don't agree with Chris on this. At the same time, there are many strategies which we'd call cheap approaches, stuff that's not within the spirit of a (...) (18 years ago, 2-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) (snip) (...) please note, I used the word loop holes in quotes. in THIS specific instance, I used that term to mean, list-of-valid-strategies. :) loop-hole was just easier to type. Chris (18 years ago, 4-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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(...) Waitwait, I'm confused. So Derek, you just want no flag-passing-the-edg...equals-win rule? And Dave you do want it? I'm cool either way I guess. I like the way the rules are now (rope leaves robot = loss, robot leaves table = loss, flag (...) (18 years ago, 6-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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Well, enough time has pass that most people weighed in on the idea of the new rule addition suggestion. as is typical with rtlToronto, those few who spoke up, dont have a strong opinion either way. SO, if its ok, with the group, and Calum, then lets (...) (18 years ago, 8-Jun-06, to lugnet.org.ca.rtltoronto)
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