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		Re: "gutless" bush?
(...) I don't drive a Hyundai, go ahead! Seoul is the one that requested we show restraint, so I don't have a problem with them eating the consequences. (...) Oh dang, I drive a Mazda. Time to switch to that BMW, I guess. Anime? They are welcome to (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: "gutless" bush?
(...) No John, you said one thing and I called you on it: "sometimes violence is the only way (because the bad guy starts it)." Okay, we started the current violence, so your statement has a certain irony to it. You'd be far better off amending your (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: "gutless" bush?
(...) You weren't paying attention, JOHN: how can the U.S. use a UN resolution as a pretext for war when the UN doesn't back us on it? Yes, the UN shouldn't have passed such a resolution if they weren't prepared to back it up, but we have no legal (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: "gutless" bush?
(...) Begin violence. (...) End violence. (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence.... (...) No violence... (...) Violence, started by the U.S.! Hey this is your sequence of events. "sometimes violence is (...) (22 years ago, 20-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: Gulf of understanding is mutual
(...) Take the Oreos, Cremewiches are where it's at! And how dare you criticize President Bush during a war! You are failing to support our troops, you traitor tot! America, love it or leave it; impeach Earl Warren; reverse discrimination; liberal (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: This just came across my desk... Iraqi Questions
(...) Stole it from the Indians (and gave them that awful name, too). In Canada the French stole it fom the Indians, and then had the brits steal it from them (who went on to steal the rest of it from the Indians). Oh, and who's self-proclaimed hero (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: Gulf of understanding is mutual
(...) Look to the Iraq-Iran war for an example. Nationalism can win out over common sense. Happens all the time. Not to mention they hardly trust the motives of the United States (I don't, so why should the Iraqi people?). (...) It's possible, but (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: Gulf of understanding is mutual
(...) The difference between Dubya-Dubya III and Desert Storm may well be that in the latter, the Iraqi soldiers knew they were in the wrong in the first place and didn't have any heart in holding Kuwait. This time it is about defending Iraq and we (...) (22 years ago, 19-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: Truth and consequences?
(...) I am waiting as well. It seems like everything else during the Dubya time in office--hide anything and everything that might have the whiff of wrongness about it. If this happened on Bubba's watch, he and his administration would have been (...) (20 years ago, 8-Jul-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

half
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		Re: Just Teasing, I Have No Intention of Debating Any of This...
(...) Just remember you are responsible for your actions and act accordingly. (...) I'm not quite sure what your point is here. That you regard 25% as foolish for thinking such? That you think the 25% actually believe that there is an imminent (...) (22 years ago, 17-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Cuban Missle Crisis. Defused through diplomacy. Both sides got something they wanted. Perceptually Kruschev lost, and was deposed eventually because of it. -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: A few things...
(...) If it makes you feel better, I thought "Mecca Cola" was reactionary twaddle, too. :-) -->Bruce<-- (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Of course it is. The implied threat of force in disputes of this nature is part of the diplomacy. It is not a simplistic, "Do as ah sez or I'll hurt youz real bad," - unless you are incompetent, that is, or simply bent on war ("Violence is the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) But we did blink, if not quite as hard and fast. That's the whole point. Both sides had escalated the confrontation to the point that neither saw a way out, but continuing it was too horrifying for words. Only through diplomacy was the (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Are you honestly trying to say that diplomacy is universally and always unsuccessful in all cases everywhere on the planet? That nothing has ever been accomplished by diplomacy? You may wish to modify your statement or at least limit its (...) (22 years ago, 14-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: Sex Scandal: U.S. President had sex with Intern!
(...) Thanks for the clarification. Sorry for keeping ya up, Bruce! Yes, religious debate can sometimes get tiresome, but I've wanted to keep it as interesting as possible. Honest I have! Dave K -who puts people to sleep wherever he goes (21 years ago, 14-May-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: A few things...
(...) It was something of a rhetorical question: I can find beers from all over the world in California; Germany, Phillipines, Japan, Mexico, Canada, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Holland, and on and on. None from France (that I know of). But I'd (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: level of debate
(...) Please tally all protests and render the percentage of those that took place naked. And what's wrong with pink? I mean, other than I won't be seen in it? :-) You seem to be taking the cheap-shot demonizing route in trying to belittle a (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: level of debate
(...) Actually, I'd say Joe Steel was fighting for tyranny. (...) The rest of the world starts a stupid war (excuse me, stOOpid, can't emphasize that enough) and has us bail 'em out, and resents it? That chip on yer shoulder big enough? ;-) (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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		Re: I'm just going to take a back seat.... Re: You Can Lead A Horse To Water....
(...) Saudi Arabia and Kuwait come to mind readily. (...) "Desert Storm" did not happen in a vacuum. (...) He doesn't care about the US, except that we got in the way of his last oil grab (but helped the previous attempt). I have seen no compelling (...) (22 years ago, 13-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

bruce
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