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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes: <snip> (...) Well, this statement kinda shows where you stand on the matter. Saying that Creationism isn't reality endorses that something else is. Unless you're an avid reader of Hitch (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Do you know the percentage of crimes committed which are perpetrated by repeat offenders? If we just keep them in jail the first time, crime would plummet. -John (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Again you miss my point. The name of God is invoked by all, whether they actually believe in God or not-- it is a cultural thing. As to your first sentence, I'm not sure what that's about. (...) a religion. Using God language doesn't (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Troll Alert
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti writes: <snip> Good advice but the problem I have is that you can (in this debate) apply that definition to a number of people... some more than others, maybe but we all have preconceived notions, ne? (...) (22 years ago, 29-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Can I deem it to be no one at all, that no such power exists? If not, then my religious freedom is abrogated by any such state sponsored statement referring to a god whether big or little "g" is used. I prefer the usage used in oaths now "do (...) (22 years ago, 28-Jun-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) The usual leftist bilge, Richard? (...) Because freedom and responsibility go hand in hand. Many people don't understand that. (...) Show me in our Constitution where: 1. that is anywhere near the government's responsibility, and 2. why I (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Amen. (...) Take off:-) (...) Wimps;-) (...) Of course. But it wasn't our war yet (although we were exporting like mad to support the allies-- lend-lease, etc) The (...) Well, shouldn't it be thus? (...) Did you hear this on WW... >;^D (...) (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Gosh, that's great! I thought I was starting to sound like you. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) I'd think that effective occupation is really the deal. For us to have claimed the moon in 69 would have lead to strife because our claim would not have been honored. We couldn't deploy enough force to the moon to keep others off, so what (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) because (...) Native Americans hunted some things to extinction in some places. Sustainability in the big picture can only be measured over long time periods which includes the ability to adapt. But by and large, I agree. OTOH, I personally (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> (...) Oh My Goodness!!! I'm sounding like Scott!! AAAAAUUU...UUUGGGGGG...H!!!...!!! That's it--I bow out of this debate! ;) Dave (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) The past two UK general elections have produced MPs who got to power with virtually no funding. That is freedom. In the UK we limit MP’s political advertising budgets to allow open access to power. The average winning candidate spends about (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) People can't have it both ways--they want the vouchers 'cause then they can send their kid to whatever school they think is best for their kid and at the same time say "oh you can't send your voucher (and therefore your kid) to that school (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Thank you! :-) (...) I used the expression "differnt context" for some reason. And I did not criticize the USA for any sort of Imperialist attitude, did I? (...) Innacurate: the Britons who originally left found life in the Colonies better; (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Their lifestyle was sustainable - your one is not. Right now the world is paying the price the "material culture" you (collectively) enjoy/conform to. The ugly inefficiency of your subsidised steel "industry" is an example of this. The EU is (...) (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Umm...do you know what it costs to incarcerate people. I don't have numbers in front of me, but I can only imagine that it would be cheaper for the US taxpayer to help them than to jail them. Chris (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Fine. Just show me a better one. (...) And I say again-- pick a greater one. (...) How can one say that we are great because of our people, and OTOH we are a nation of immigrants (people from other countries). Our people are (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Indeed. Canada chose to fight for the freedom of others. It chose to declare war in 1939 - not neutrality. Scott A (22 years ago, 4-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) (snip) (...) Hardly. And they still managed to rush in help of the "mother nation" when it was needed - loyalty is still a quality! (...) Maybe this can help explain why there is resentment in Europe against the USA: they made fortune with (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
(...) Where I was coming from wasn't giving anyone a moral scorecard. Just how they had impacted nations that followed. By noting that they were still vital wasn't trying to give any credence to whatever political atmosphere is currently going on, (...) (22 years ago, 3-Jul-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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