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		Re: Bush, a flawed evil genius?
(...) All politicians are whores to a certain extent, Republicans to corporations, especially tobacco and guns; Democrats to lawyers, Hollywood, and the many environmental activist groups. (...) Or perhaps you are forgetting the corporate (...) (21 years ago, 8-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) I know that I can. I also can make my own smoothbore rifle in much the same way it's not great, but it can still kill. However, it takes time and work to do such a thing; luckily, the majority of people with an issue are just too lazy. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 15-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Oh wait--Rummy explains all in the 'sound bite' of the year...
(...) Oh, really? Then why was the UN sending weapons inspectors into Iraq in the first place? Not much of a memory, Mr Marchetti. They went to verify that weapons were destroyed, not to verify whether they existed or not. (...) Who is "we"? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 7-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Git outta my bedroom!!
(...) ...Mightily resisting the urge to call John names!... My most civil response to all of the above is: So what?! Let's leave the dog scenario to the side as it is "species out of bounds." The point of marriage generally is to legally bind people (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) Then John's right, it IS specious, used in this context. You can't lay 70 years of building up an underclass via income transfer, 50 years of futile drug warfare and increased loss of liberties, 40 years of failed social engineering, 30 years (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Bush just fell off a Segway :-)
(...) And he has fallen off the presidency with equal aplomb. And screwing it up as president is not supposed to be that easy -- not with all the "checks and balances" that are supposed to prevent disaster. That's why it's funny -- because it's (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		'Cause, you know in divisive times such as these...
It's good to know that Republicans are working at restoring faith in the various US institutions.... (URL) Republican majority in the US Congress has rejected calls for a formal investigation into whether the government misread or inflated threats (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Unscientific AOL Shrub Credability Poll
How credible is Bush? 46% Not at all 86,047 39% Very 74,361 15% Somewhat 28,102 Total votes: 188,510 Which issue will make Bush most vulnerable in 2004? 67% Economy 123,965 15% War in Iraq 27,203 9% Special interests 16,795 5% War on terror 9,779 4% (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Oh wait--Rummy explains all in the 'sound bite' of the year...
(...) Well, that's one way of looking at it. THen there's that truth, which is entirely a different matter-- "We have to go to war now because SH is a clear and imminent threat to the USofA." And, if I do recall, that the idea that Saddam had WMD (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: I think the 1st Ammendment was broken
(...) That's a huge assertion John - as we've hardly even begun to see all the consequences yet. ROSCO (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) Oh dang, and here I agree, but in the meantime with all those wild-eyed Libertarians out there, should I get the Springfield XD-9, or the Glock 19? (...) No wait, it wasn't about WoMD, it was about the Al Qeada terroist link! We can't prove (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
(...) So there are similarities to George W Bush and Kim Jong? With all due respect, you don't know what the hell you are talking about. (...) I'm sorry, Dave, but it is moronic to compare the two. It is such a stupid idea that it requires no (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Accountability
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Richard Marchetti wrote: <snip> (...) What I still don't get is that even if they find WoMD, as some here are banking on just so they can say "I told you so...", it still in no way justifies this war. Find Anthrax and (...) (21 years ago, 10-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: What the...?!
(...) What lousy reporting. The guy doing the shooting is in jail, but the article never actually says he is in jail for killing one of the burglers. Nor does it establish why he was convicted even if it was for that incident. Did the burglers turn (...) (21 years ago, 13-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Swift was Right! (He just named the wrong people...)
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) Ummmm, Canada, but you saw that one coming a mile away... (...) All too true. (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Git outta my bedroom!!
(...) Secularly speaking, I don't know that there's a problem with devaluing marriage. If there is one, I'd like to hear it articulated without appealing to provincial wisdom or religious values. As a matter of secular law, marriage is a contract, (...) (21 years ago, 12-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: "Terrorism" is just a scapegoat.
(...) Pretty good thinking I'd say. Ashcroft scares me more than ever. Add to that all the other people latching on to terrorism for their own pet causes.... SUVs enable terrorism. Using drugs enables terrorism. Supporting the war on drugs enables (...) (21 years ago, 11-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Oh wait--Rummy explains all in the 'sound bite' of the year...
(...) He did have them in the eighties. We did not know if he had them now. Those things, once used, don't grow in trees... (...) Perhaps the weapons inspectors were too keen on following misleading intelligence work provided by the allies, rather (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		We needn't have worried! (Re: Should we be concerned?)
(...) All of my moral panic appears to have been for naught, since the media conglomerates have obviously been looking out for the public interest all along: (URL) This seems oddly reminiscent of the closed-door energy policy meetings held by the (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Oh wait--Rummy explains all in the 'sound bite' of the year...
(URL) haven't found Saddam Hussein, and I don't know anyone who's running around saying he didn't exist," Rumsfeld told reporters Thursday, following a closed-door briefing on Capitol Hill. " That's so true, Rummy! Since there was a Saddam, there (...) (21 years ago, 6-Jun-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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