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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Yes, but what does Bush have to do with the recall of Davis? This is a local mania of the Republican party, who have finally figured out that they can abuse the recall procedures against the Democratic party rather than their own. Given Dubya (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
(...) Perhaps I'm missing something here. Did Global Crossing deliberately overstate its outlook and earnings by billions of dollars, while defrauding its shareholders and employees, and did it also swindle California (greatly contributing to the (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) Wow--I kinda had the feeling from reading this NG for a while that you & I might never agree on anything! :) I lean towards a national sales tax for several reasons: 1) Given 3 common economic behaviors, production (including reinvestment), (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Newsbits: CA Recall and IMF-Argentina Negotiations
California Recall: The Coup Inside a Circus (URL) edit: I can't quite dismiss this story as complete madness. There's so much going on right now in terms of information consolidation that it's hard to see the purposes of democracy winning out (...) (21 years ago, 14-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
(...) You propose a valid system, but any kind of work-to-earn-charity scheme seems either to disqualify the relevent gift as charity or else to qualify all payment-for-work as charity. Do you consider your paycheck a charitable contribution from (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Altruism is a bad idea? (was Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!)
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <anip> (...) Perfectly said, Larry. Walking down the street years ago, guy says, "Hey, spot me some coin for a coffee?" Well, we just happen to be close to a Tim Hortins (Canadian version of 'coffee (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) The key word is "wealthy benefactor;" it's charity because a person has decided to do something of no advantage to himself or herself that does enormous good to others. It's also not charity by proxy; it's charity at an individual level. I (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) But that just postpones the argument, rather than resolving it. (I continue this point below.) (...) Here we may be at a crux of our disagreement. Why doesn't the public good qualify as charity? Are there circumstances under which it might (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) And what, exactly, does it do for us? If charity is performed to achieve a space in heaven, then it's a simple economic transaction designed to favor oneself with a payoff disproportionate to the act of charity. (...) On the contrary--public (...) (21 years ago, 13-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Sticking my gun where it doesn't belong...
(...) Does that really surprise you? I expect every hamlet, village, town and city on the planet has a greater population density than the whole of Scotland - think about it. Heck, my office has a population density of 200,000 / sq. mi... and there (...) (21 years ago, 11-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Speeding: Prima facie negligence? (was Re: Latter Day Saints (was:Re: God and the Devil and forgiveness (was Re: POV-RAY orange color))
<37D64CA8.96CF1964@voyager.net> <FHsKo5.Dq8@lugnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit (...) I think I want to drill into this one a bit more. Let's be clear... are you saying that to break any law (...) (25 years ago, 9-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Finally some church/state mingling that I can really get behind!
(...) Well, I'm a pragmatist, after all! 8^) Besides which, I think the beauty of this story is not the issue of church/state separation but rather the apparent church/church separation! The fun will come in watching the Christian Coalition scramble (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Libertarianism again.
Scott Edward Sanburn <ssanburn@aeieng.com> wrote (...) There is no constitution, New Zealand is a monarchy. The bill of rights actually uses the word "equitable" (from memory) and of course the idea of a free country is at the heart of our desire (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep
On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:18:12 GMT, Adam Howard uttered the following profundities... (...) <snip> "Yank" is the common, global reference to Americans. You should here the Strine rhyming slang for Americans, "Septic Tank." :o) (...) <snipped quote of (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Cra pollution[ was: Re: Conversation w/ a LEGO Rep]
(...) OK. I'm impressed. By a 'few' I meant that the requirement was introduced sometime during the 1990s - but I'm not sure when. Does sound like you are way ahead of Europe in that respect. Don't think most of us had even heard of catalytic (...) (25 years ago, 29-Aug-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Saving the Xtian Church From Itself
(...) Interesting, but perhaps you can explain some inconsistencies with that explanation. Not all Christian religions use the King James version of the bible - certainly the Catholics don't (and their views on homosexuality differ little from most (...) (21 years ago, 6-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		History as hearsay (was Re: 22/7 & infinities (was: Re: The nature of the JC god, good or evil?)
I'm reading it... Not sure where it is going, but I will say this. Morals are relative only to the extent that some are better than others. I hold any morality that says it is OK to violate rights as inferior to one that does not. As to history (...) (25 years ago, 8-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Libertarianism again.
(...) Moz, Can you tell me what part of the Constitution or the Bill of Rights that resides in, because I can't find it. You sound just like my sister. "We have a right to a living wage." Really? Where is that at in the Constitution or Bill of (...) (25 years ago, 7-Sep-99, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Saving the Xtian Church From Itself
(...) Yeah, I wouldn't be too sure about that either. The Dead Sea Scrolls supposedly have lengthy sexual passages like one where Noah speaks lyrically in the first person about the beauty of his wife Sarah's breasts. To me, nothing could be more (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Saving the Xtian Church From Itself
(...) Any translation is subject to introducing error. Usually, though, Bible scholars seem for the most part encouraged that modern translations seem consistent any time they find a really old fragment. But I'm hardly enough of a Bible scholar to (...) (21 years ago, 8-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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