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		Re: Repost, for the benefit of those on newsreaders
(...) So in other words you have no problem with a voting system that is rigged? Something that this country is based upon? You've trumpeted in here many times before about our great democracy, and how the majority should rule, yet you have no (...) (19 years ago, 28-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Newsweek (to touch on something I said in a n erlier post)
(...) Correction: Clinton was impeached specifically for lying under oath. He should have said "I refuse to answer, because it's none of your business" instead of lying. But he looks pretty small time compared to these guys (and I'm one of those (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Repost, for the benefit of those on newsreaders
(...) That fills me with (URL) skepticism> (...) (reverting to FTX:-) (...) He was a known entity when re-elected. You had your chance and muffed it. Wait until '08. (...) Specify, and include to whom we should apologize. (...) If you really (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Repost, for the benefit of those on newsreaders
Someone expressed frank misgivings about the formatting of this post: (URL) can I say? The FTX shows up just fine on my browser. But because I am a kind and generous soul, I am reposting in plain text -----repost begins here----- Here are a few (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Newsweek (to touch on something I said in a n erlier post)
And the Teflon Prez... (URL) it turns out that the FBI has documents showing that detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, complained about the mistreatment of the Koran and that many said they were severely beaten. The documents specifically include an (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) Here are a few thoughts--not sure how feasible they are, and some will require greater diplomacy than is currently available to the administration. 1. Get rid of Bush. His handling of this entire debacle has been nightmarishly inept and (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) Mmmmm. This green light in your mind that allows you to do awful things with dubious grounds, and with scant care for human life. Not the green light of well thought out, systematically supported, equitable and respected authorisation I think, (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) No, there really doesn't seem to be much support in any quarter. And the remaining pro war camp is much quieter and harder to draw (apart from the determined political apologist rearguard, and the shrill cries of the mindless faithful), (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) What is it that you think we would do with that huge stockpile of oil? Steal it? (...) A lot of countries have them. Not many actually use them. Guns don't kill; people do. (...) Let's face it-- SH was an idiot. The guy read the tea leaves all (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
Snipped bunches. Some I agree with (the venality of leaders everywhere, but certainly in the US) and some I don't (it's not just "about the oil!")... focusing on one bit. (...) What I'm not seeing the current participants in this debate providing is (...) (19 years ago, 27-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) I'd suggest a little humility is in order. (...) ...and replacing it with violent anarchy. That's what I call progress! (...) Hmm. I recall reading that only ~5% of the insurgents were "foreign" and the majority of Iraqis want Bush to pack his (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: A few things...
(...) By the looks of it, Helen is one of the few who are still asking the tough questions. The rest apear to be 'bauble heads', spreading the propaganda of Dubya. I also think you missed the point where she asked if the 'newly established gov'ts' (...) (19 years ago, 26-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Typical Senator: "I'm all for cutting waste! ..."
(...) Of course, the gov't could free up a bunch of military dollars if they'd abandon the ill-conceived, ill-designed, ill-executed, and ill-befitting-the-modern-world Missile Defense System. After that, the gov't could abandon the policy of (...) (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Typical Senator: "I'm all for cutting waste! ..."
"...But don't close my state's pork farms, er, bases!" (URL) love it! (19 years ago, 13-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: This just in: Republicans "lose" the filibuster debate
(...) it's YOUR responsibility to clean up any URLs that, because you switch, look icky. I've left it icky so you can see your crime, the underbars are throwing off the underlining and making it look all wonky. Worse, a plaintext link, by itself, is (...) (19 years ago, 20-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: How many of these have you seen used here?
(...) You and DaveE have already pegged this correctly; the listed strategies are tailored for "winning the audience" rather than "persuading one's opponent." I'm not very well versed in Schopenhauer, but I have the vague sense that he didn't use (...) (19 years ago, 17-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Protests too much
(...) <SNIP> (...) Gotta love how languages change. Geno meaning race as in Genus Thus Human = Human Just my take. (...) Yeah, from some capitalist pig, whether that pig was from US, China, Japan, Russia who knows. (...) Meddling in Central America, (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Protests too much
(...) I agree that it sounds callous and mean-spirited, and in raw pragmatic terms it's just not a helpful course to pursue. By that same logic, we in the United States have been involved in well over two centuries of continuous war, so anyone could (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Protests too much
(...) Maybe I should rephrase that, I believe that If we could trust them to only bomb the begeezers out of each other, we should leave, and simply ignore their existence until the stop the fighting. But they won't keep it within their own (...) (19 years ago, 12-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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		Re: Who the devil are we to lecture on 'nucular' non-proliferation? (careful, long rant)
(...) Of all the names I have ever been called (I keep a list of the best as a check on hubris), this one is probably the best. It can't go on the list because you're not serious, but I love it anyway :-) Maybe I'll write it on the back... Richard (...) (19 years ago, 7-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)

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