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| | | (...) Myself among them, believe me. (...) I blew it already.. OK, *TWO* replies, that's it. :-) Really! I'm sorry if you think I'm ridiculing you. I do find christianity a bit laughable, though. Along with animism, chiropractic, and socialism to (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | (...) And yet it is kinda like sharpening swords and having at it, isn't it. Must be a guy thing. (...) And again, that's fine with me. I know what I believe, and more importantly, I know why. Believe me, I'm a huge skeptic, I question myself and (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) Ummmmmmm, what are you defining as a "major event"? Greek major events excluded? Roman? Chinese? Indian? Japanese? Egyptian? Sumerian? Assyrian? Mayan? Viking? Scientific? That's not to say that many major events weren't linked in some (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | (...) Again, that's why I said "nearly". I was referring mainly to such things as the World Wars, the Reformation, the Renaissance, the Dark Ages, Israel's significance to everything Middle Eastern (both because of location and direct involvement), (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —David Low
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| | | | | | | (...) Alternate history is an obviously speculative exercise, but I don't see what any of this (except the inquisition and crusades) has to do with Judaeo-Christianity per se. Given that we can't really separate religion from culture and history, (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | (...) My original point was that "nearly" every "significant" event in history was in some way, big or small, effected or affected by Judaism or Christianity in response to LarryP statement that Christianity is "unsupportable" and that God is (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | | | | | | (...) I think it is obvious that christianity (and of course any other religion like Islam and the others) are "supportable", and again all of them has great influences on the known history, but this does not mean they are "reasonable" or (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, lets see if we can find one or two that had global significance. Paper. No paper, no easy to carry bibles. Gunpowder. No gunpowder, no forcing the natives to read the bibles you made them trade their land away for. How'd I do? ++Lar (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | | | | | (...) I was refering to more geopolitical events which had global impact on... well...the globe. I realize that they have made tremendous contributions - like substituting dog meat for pork and cat meat for chicken - just kidding, lighten up, I love (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) Rarely, on the above list, which is why I dispute your claim. (...) Kind of a eurocentric viewpoint to claim nearly every major event. See below. (...) Defining Egypt as solely a place that the Jews passed through is belittling its (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) That's an interesting point, and quite similar to the "is libertarianism on the rise?" discussion. If someone adheres to good ideals which are in step with Christianity, but that person doesn't believe in God, are his ideals still good? I (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —David Eaton
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| | | | | (...) Well, depends on what Christian you ask, probably... some might say that because they weren't derived from God, they *couldn't* be absoloutely pure, and therefore are wrong. Another might argue that yes, the ideals are good, but because that (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I came up with a similiar kind of conclusion (well, question) when I was going to parochial school in second grade. Was it good because God says so, or is there something inherently good independent of God? (...) And this is the same question (...) (24 years ago, 29-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | (...) Again, great points. Romans chapter 2 deals with this in depth, for anyone who cares to look it up. For the record, as to atrocities, it is my opinion that any action which is diametrically opposed to the stated principles of a system cannot (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | (...) For the record, the point was any religion can provide "high moral grounds" for the people or not. You said several times without religion, we could not have a social life, since there would be no ethics, since there wouldn't be a supreme (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Bill Farkas
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| | | | (...) You're right, religion in a generic sense will not necessarily bring out the best in people. I agree that it quite often brings out the worst. I am a bigger critic than anyone on the problems in Christendom, I could go on for hours about the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Dave Schuler
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| | | | (...) You're completely correct, and it seems to me that such people often pick and choose which elements of The Bible the wish to practice, ignoring those passages they find inconvenient to their cause. (...) And that's the big problem--that the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: The god debate again... sigh (Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less? —Selçuk Göre
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| | | | (...) So, so.. But I'm not talking about invalidating any "belief", I'm just talking about invalidating a "belief system" as a "system to bring high moral grounds for society". If any system can open to be abused and can be used by a person/group (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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