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(...) Let's turn the tables on that question. What makes someone hetero? Merely the fact that they are attracted to the opposite sex? If the answer is no to the above questions does that mean that virgins are neither homosexual or heterosexual but (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John asked a simple question which I think is a common misconception. It can be summed up with a few definitions which should help clarify (and these definitions are scholarly, you can disagree with them if you wish - I'm just putting out (...) (20 years ago, 19-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmmm. Can we do that? You are implying that the two are equal and interchangable things. It seems to me that being heterosexual is the default, and then something happens (socialization, etc), and some become gay. There is a great deal of (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Normative: That which is not perceived or experienced by members of a society as odd, peculiar, outlandish, or even as deserving of unusual attention, because either: (a) it is culturally typical, conventional, and encountered commonly in the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's pretty much proven by evolution, if nothing else. Heterosexual pairings can produce offspring, but homosexual ones can't, therefore the heterosexual lifestyle is self-propogating and the homosexual one isn't. (...) Survival of the (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Scratch "normative". "Norm" would have been a better choice. (...) Yes, that is how I was intending the word to be understood. (...) Agreed. I didn't mean to attach a pejorative meaning to "not normal". I was just reacting to something that (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes I am and yes they are for the basis of this dicussion. Both involve sexual attraction the only difference being whether or not this attraction is directed towards the same or opposite sex. I think the direct comparison is obvious. -Orion (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes! And it's a sad state that we should be helping to correct. :-) Chris (Who, with plent of qualifications, is serious despite the smiley.) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is a question for anyone who has an educated opinion...I seriously don't know. Why does it seem relatively more common for women to be openly bi than men? I know lots of bi women, relatively few bi men, and more gay men than lesbians. Is (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd like to chime in as a biologist here: there are some situations in which sexual energy is better spent without a procreative effect. For example, if a group has limited resources. Sexual interactions among animals are not always strictly (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Cynthia, can you hypothesize a mechanism by which this might be true? I would have thought that gene replication happens before anything else that might potentially cause gayness. Chris (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:I4CF8K.GxD@lugnet.com... (...) don't (...) men? I (...) lesbians. (...) are (...) them? (...) Hmm, the difference in acceptability could be due to a difference in function. Cynthia (...) (20 years ago, 20-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hi Chris, well, strictly speaking, I meant a gene expressed in gay people as opposed to straight people, or expressed more or less highly between the 2 different groups. Any number of mechanisms could account for such an occurance (probably (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yeah, I got all that and I hope I wasn't diluting your point. (...) That's super-cool. I had no idea. Is there a term for this phenomenon that I can google for? Chris (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Chris- This incredible process was discovered when people began to realize that we each have too many different antibody proteins, and that our DNA isn't long enough to encode them all. Eventually they figured out that each antibody-producing (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) See also the novels of Greg Bear, who seems to riff on some of this stuff quite a bit. You might just get a lot of confused views rather than good solid scientific info but you might just enjoy the reads... (I just finished Vitals which (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Okay, so that works on an individual celular level, with cells that have evolved specifically to do this. Do you really think something as tied to the core psychology of self as sexual orientation would be post-natally programmable at the (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) The bottom line is: we don't know!! We can speculate all we want to, but we just don't have any facts to go by. (...) Because we can't think of one doesn't mean there isn't one. Nature is generally smarter than we are :) (...) But there is no (...) (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I love Greg Bear, also good are Darwin's Radio and Blood Music. (20 years ago, 21-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Those, in fact (along with Darwin's Children) were what I was thinking of as well. I just finished Blood Music and I have to say while I found the science very interesting, I sort of didn't like the ending of the story. The whole last half of (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If it's genetic SF you want, give the Beggars trilogy (Beggars in Spain, Beggars and Choosers, and Beggars Ride) by Nancy Kress a read. Not only are they a very good read but they are also very pertinant to the issues that started this whole (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) If I recall correctly, Blood Music was indeed a short story first, and then was lengthened to a novel after the short story's success. I've only read the short version, but I wouldn't doubt that the second half of the novel was bland. ~Kevoh (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Read them, liked them. The very notion of being Sleepless is a pretty amazing idea. Thought the third book got a bit weak compared to the first, though. (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've only read a couple of full-length novels that were originally published as short stories or novellas. Ender's Game (Orson Scott Card) comes immediately to mind (and I've recently discovered a copy of the original novella at the local (...) (20 years ago, 22-Sep-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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