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| | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) Merriam-Webster: marriage: (2) the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage Foul ball (counts as Strike one). You are using the term "marriage" to mean "traditional marriage", (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) Speaking of changing definitions-- I wonder how old that definition is! (...) Okay, can't you see how wrong and biased that is! Astonishing! (Evil indeed;-) (...) You green-eyed bigot! :-) Why do you draw the limit at 2??? How do you feel (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | (...) Indeed. (...) Not my cup of tea. (...) Hmm... Not my cup of tea either (I think my daughter has more sense than that) (...) Not my cup of tea either (my mom had issues, and we never had a very handsome dog) If you can get informed consent from (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) Wait a minute...you said to go look it up. Did you mean in the Bible? I assumed you meant in the dictionary. (...) What?!? Encarta is the most widely used tool for elementary-school research in the United States. I thought you wanted us to (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Pedro Silva
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote: As long as no one is being harmed, they should go for it. The (...) I just knew there was someone out there who thought exactly the same as I did... well put, Chris! Pedro (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | (...) My feeling is that it is the responsibility of government to ensure our children are provided with the best possible opportunities in childhood. It just so happens that children who are cared for by parents who are in a stable relationship (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Hopefully you mean "best possible within economic reason." Also, I'd like to see how the "stable relationship":"good start" metrics are compiled (you're reporting actual findings, right...not just opinion or impression?). Further, since I know (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) These are my phrases and the terms I've used are subjective. I suppose I'm just reflecting the view that most married ppl accept without really questioning it. If you want to "upset the apple cart", why not show me that I should question it? A (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) that was the best they could do. And I'll point out that I don't question the validity of any of the journals that they're referencing. Their main points were: (...) I think this is sort of putting the cart before the horse since it makes all (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | (...) I did. Notice -->Bruce<-- chose a secondary definition, not the primary one. The cheek:-) (...) THIS IS PRECIOUSLY MY POINT!!! (I'm screaming, but not at you). This is what our kids are being taught! It's REVISIONIST and WRONG! (...) Then I (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) I knew that. What I don't know is why. Why are you opposed to those in particular? (...) I can absolutely respect yor right to believe that and even to belong to an organization that believes that, such as a church. I would rather see marriage (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | "Christopher Weeks" <clweeks@eclipse.net> wrote in message news:HzIL24.D99@lugnet.com... (...) they (...) apply to (...) about (...) There is a lot of baggage associated with marriage that should be available to any couple. The problem with (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Practical and other utilitarian arguments aside, let's just say they go against my religious belief system. (...) Life is hard; it's no excuse. I'd say you may be correct and that that realization is irresponsible. (...) Unfortunately, that is (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Where's the harm? From one side of the issue, they get to be rid of those disgusting deviants once and for all. From the other, they get to be rid of the backward, protruding-forehead, neanderthals that have been stifling progress. It sounds (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Fair enough. When the Government and your church leaders tell you that you must accept the marriage of gays within your church, you can protest all you like, and I'll be right there with you in expressing that feeling. Unfortunately, that's (...) (20 years ago, 20-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | | | "Mr L F Braun" <braunli1@pilot.msu.edu> wrote in message news:HzMHDG.1E6q@lugnet.com... (...) mean, wow, (...) caused a (...) Yea, anyone who is at least nominally a Christian who isn't Catholic has no business worrying about splitting churches. If (...) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) And nations! Like during the War of Northern Aggression? Chris ;-) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) You mean the "War to Defend the 'Right' to Hold Slaves"? But ya, like that. (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) "And Bullwinkle "War Between the States"-hips his way down the field for Wossamotta U.... (I suppose one had to watch the episodes to get the civil-swivel-war between the states running gag) -->Nuthin' up m'sleeve, Presto!<-- (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —John Neal
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) ROAR! (Guess I don't know my own strength!) (20 years ago, 21-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —James Powell
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| | | | | | | | (...) The issue that I see is that the government (at least, the US federal one) does not recognize any other association for the purposes of financial gain. You can't tell me that the institution of marrage is sacredly between 1 man/ 1 woman, for (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) I agree with everything James wrote, but I think the truly beneficial course of action is for the government to get out of the business of certifying certain interpersonal contracts as having special value. The People should be free to (...) (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I'm innocent! Ambrose Bierce is to blame! Or that little shoulder devil that whispered in his ear... (...) Ewww...wwwuuuuuuue! My brother never picks up his socks! But then, I know two brothers who married two sisters.... (...) I suppose if (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —John Neal
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| | | | | | (...) I'm so provincial-- I hadn't even heard of the Devil's Dictionary:-/ (now I get your smiley:-) (...) How efficient:-) (...) I think even the Mormons would protest that one! (...) HI-O! (...) Everyone else is-- except Scott!!!! 8^O JOHN (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) Uh, no. You got it backwards. Bruce appears to be on the side with the rest of us. Chris (20 years ago, 19-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | (...) So, John, do you oppose all change in definition? Chris (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: Gay Marriage —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | (...) I'm not sure why you're missing my point. I'm OK with any sort of union between any number of people (or, if in future other species are uplifted or discovered such that they can give informed consent) or other species as long as everyone (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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