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Re: Gay Marriage
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:57:33 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur wrote:
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks wrote:
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Also, I’d like
to see how the “stable relationship”:”good start” metrics are compiled
(you’re reporting actual findings, right...not just opinion or impression?).
Further, since I know kids who did not have that environment who turned out
well, confounding variables are suggested. I’d suggest we ought to figure
out what those are and try to provide the things that can actually be
causally correlated with the positive outcome.
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These are my phrases and the terms I’ve used are subjective. I suppose I’m
just reflecting the view that most married ppl accept without really
questioning it. If you want to “upset the apple cart”, why not show me that I
should question it?
A quick search for “How Marriage Benefits Children” produced this:
http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IF03J02
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That’s interesting, but an overtly biased source. I’m actually surprised that
that was the best they could do. And I’ll point out that I don’t question the
validity of any of the journals that they’re referencing. Their main points
were:
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Children living with married parents are much safer because they’re
less likely to be aborted.
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I think this is sort of putting the cart before the horse since it makes all
kinds of assumptions about what children and living mean.
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Children living with married parents are much safer because they are
less likely to be abused or neglected.
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I buy that. But why? Is it something inherent in two-parent rearing or caused
by some other factor that tends to go hand in hand with single-parent
situations? Perhaps we should be trying to cure the root causes rather than
slapping bandaids on the symptoms. Not that I’m exactly suggesting this, but
what if we had national (global!) child care so that single parents didn’t have
to rely on their
brother-in-law-who-can’t-get-a-job-because-he-just-got-out-of-the-pen? (To use a
dramatic stereotype.) We might see that correlation vanish.
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Children raised in married-parent homes have better emotional and
physical health
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Same as above. It’s a believable correlation, but I want to know why.
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Children raised in married-parent homes engage in fewer risky
behaviors, such as premarital sex, substance abuse, delinquency,
and suicide.
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I’m not trying to claim that single parenting in modern western society is
superior. Just that, because it’s clear that single parents can do a
fantastic job and that couples can do an awful one, there are other factors than
the simple coupling that actually acount for benefits. It’s kind of beside the
point, but I’m also not willing to concede that premarital sex and some forms of
“delinquency” (e.g. truancy) are genuinely bad.
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Children with married parents do better academically and fare
better economically.
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All of the above apply equally to this point. Further, neither of these are
acceptable metrics of importance to me. Self-assessed happiness, social skills,
and sexual satisfaction are much more important measures.
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Children raised in intact homes are less likely to cohabit and
more likely to view marriage positively and maintain life-long
marriages.
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And this, again, is putting the cart before the horse.
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Promoting marriage...is still disenfranchising
to those who choose non-married lifestyles.
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You mean like tax cuts for the rich disenfranchise the poor?
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Well, yes. Pretty much just like that.
Chris
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| (...) These are my phrases and the terms I've used are subjective. I suppose I'm just reflecting the view that most married ppl accept without really questioning it. If you want to "upset the apple cart", why not show me that I should question it? A (...) (20 years ago, 18-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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