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| | | (...) Because that doesn't account for the desire to learn. If you truly want to learn, you'll find a way to pay. Your way rewards intelligent lazy people (you?). I'd say there's a balance somewhere, but you haven't got it right either. And since (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | Re: The Real Waste Re: More waste (was Re: More Orwell, for everyone! —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) Good students have desire and ability. Good courses should only take students with both qualities... … to do anything else is a waste of everyone’s time. (...) Why so? Or are you too lazy to explain yourself? The song is rather dated now, but (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste Re: More waste (was Re: More Orwell, for everyone! —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | (...) Perhaps, but that doesn't help us right the balance in in your proposal above. (...) I'm truly surprised you haven't suggested one obvious solution. Why not let the government regulate the wages of those overpaid, barely working university (...) (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | "free" at the point of delivery —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) I have no idea what you are talking about; I have never set foot in a US university. As an aside, I understand university "professors" in the US do not get paid out of term-time? (...) Read what I said. It is only "free" at the point of (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: "free" at the point of delivery —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | (...) I never mentioned the US. Take your blinders off, or open your eyes. I know. It's Monday. (...) Exactly what I'm talking about. It should not be free at the point of delivery because that simply produces over-educated idealists with no concept (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "free" at the point of delivery —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | | (...) 2 Points then: 1. What experience do you have of Universities outside the USA? 2. What makes you think "professors" are "overpaid"? (...) First you will have to show me that "free" education produces "idealists with no concept of the real (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "free" at the point of delivery —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | (...) Either you're extremely sensitive about this, or you must've missed the winky. That was intended to be an absurd example to bring something you said earlier (and eventually snipped) into perspective. But if you wish, I suppose you could (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: "free" at the point of delivery —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) I have the impression that in nations with a richer socialist tradition (like the UK), it is much more acceptable to accept from the public coffers the kind of aid that's being discussed here and in turn, to take seriously the responsibility (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Is this considered an issue in the US? Apart from the odd mindlessly populist talk radio presenter, its not here. Its hard to know whether Don's being insightful, inciteful, sarcastic, or just pointlessly talkative. I am trying hard to (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) People say things like that occasionally, but I don't think it's an endemic view. I know a few professors and they're all quite underpaid -- by which I mean they could be working in the private sector and making twice as much or more for (...) (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News) —Richard Parsons
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| | | | (...) An interesting choice. And what you might say with irony I say with conviction (1). These lyrics would be a fine theme. I'd say Scott is trying to change some people's 'facts', because their 'facts' just aren't. As the song points out - you (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Quick Fashion) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | (...) Personally, I (URL) Can’t Get Enough>. ;) Scott A (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | (...) Yes, but simply reprinting the counter-clockwise spin is a rather poor way of "challenging" things. (...) Sorry about that. Scott pointed out the site, not me, and I didn't see the pop-ups because Mozilla filters them out. You should try it. (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News) —Scott Arthur
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| | | | | | | (...) Don, If you really think that is what I'm doing, please just show us the "facts" and prove me wrong. You'll find it much easier than quoting song lyrics to make a point... if you have one! ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News) —Don Heyse
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah, but quoting song lyrics is so much more fun. In a way, I suppose that is my point. :) Don (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | | Re: The Real Waste (lyrics from Fashion News) —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | | (...) Goodness. There's a lot more to it than that. I was surprised that you discount it so easily, but that's my mistake. Obviously I should expect that there are avidly pro-establishment folks who treat naysayers with the same disdain I feel when (...) (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | when you change the facts —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) I'm not sure I agree that that is what the song is about. I think it is saying there are two types of news stories (facts): Real news: "Bomb blast victim fights for life". Celebrity tittle-tattle: "Princess Di is wearing a new dress". Gore's (...) (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: when you change the facts —Richard Parsons
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| | | | | (...) Happy to defer to the Depeche Mode experts. As always, can only talk with certainty about what it means to me :-) Richard Still baldly going (20 years ago, 11-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: when you change the facts —Pete White
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| | | | (...) Now this would be NEWS ! Can't this fashion victim just leave us alone. (...) Next thing they will tell us, is that H.Paul is representing New Zealand in International Rugby League Test matches. (20 years ago, 12-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | | | | | Re: when you change the facts —Scott Arthur
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| | | | (...) Who cares about Rugby League? That said, I'm now (URL) loosing> interest in Union too. Scott A (20 years ago, 14-Jun-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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