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(...) You could equally say damning them if they do, damning them if they don't. As others have said neither side is squeaky clean in this "War on Terrorism". ROSCO (22 years ago, 24-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you mean that I damn them if they breach Geneva Conventions, and I damn them if they abide by Geneva Conventions, but fight to preserve an evil regime, then yes you could say that. As far as being squeaky clean, I don't agree that one must (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Try saying these things to yourself out loud first -- before writing them here. Murder is murder. -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do you follow your own advice, say with that gem below? (...) Well, hard to argue with that. Perhaps you'd care to expound? JOHN (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I reject that you can sit there on your high horse and say "Those b*stards!!" when you're doing the same thing. I'm not saying that the US is *morally* equivalent to SH and his regime--I'm quite thankful that, even though it was under (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By "same thing", do you mean that *we* are waving white flags at the Iraqi army and then ambushing them, or do you mean that we are displaying closeup images of dead Iraqis shot execution style through their forehead?" (...) Please cite (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You just aren't listening, or being deliberately obtuse. *You* started this thread with: (URL) which you expressed outrage because Iraqis violated Geneva Conventions I, as well as others went on to point out to you, John, that the US, as well (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa, that's quite an indictment! Cease existing! Dave! (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The conversation? Well one could wish far worse fates on the readership than for that particular conversation to cease existing, Dave! You know, you sure do use a lot of "!" in your writing, Dave! And what's more, it seems to incite others to (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The US is mostly good (light grey) and the SH regime is almost completely bad (I can't think of anything good about it at the moment, but maybe there is somewhere some bureaucrat within it doing good). The Geneva convention has been mostly (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, for the love of everything sacred and holy!! Stop being!!! Oh wait... i forgot to finish that tho...(pause) What's this on the back of my hand? ;) I believe the word I was going to use was something along the lines of "Obtuse" or (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Don't drag the gun debate into this or you'll get responses like the following, which will derail the thread. (...) No, actually, assuming you're a law abiding citizen otherwise, with a healthy respect for the rights of others, and you've been (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ***snipped*** Heh. I just don't want Mike throwing down on me when I call him on a fit of post hoc reasoning. Dave! (With very sparing use of the !) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ... and Tony supports Bush on this.... even though some of my countrymen are held there. Scott A (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How's that again?? Not to go 'round and round with you about the specific *gun* issue, 'cause both you and I are unmoveable on that one, and we both know it... If one of *my* ideals is that guns are bad, but I go get a gun because now my (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me try it from another tack. You may be contributing to breaking your ideals, yes, and I don't dispute that, but that's it. Your statement above only holds if it is necessarily true that law abiding citizens (you are law abiding) having (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That's the good part--the "imho" Perhaps I should have stated that "All of the following are my ideals that I try to adhere to, and my reasons for doing so." But I don't think that covers your objection. So to stop the flogging of the dead (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am not saying we are all wrong -- we certainly do a lot of pointless, stupid, shallow things though. Pointing out those flaws is in my view being a good american because my point is the improvement of our circumstances. I have lost all hope (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, I'll work with that. You say that pointing out our flaws is part of being a good American. I think we can agree here; I would say that being a good American in part means being vigilant about protecting the ideals of our Constitution. My (...) (22 years ago, 25-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If pictures do exist, there are cultural reasons why we would not show them. That does not mean that extra-judicial executions are not occurring. I read this report from Afghanistan yesterday: One rule for them (URL) interviewed a Northern (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I understand there are outstanding cases [from both sides] from Vietnam & Korea. (...) This powerful text lists the articles that have been broken: One rule for them (URL) Bay, in Cuba, where 641 men (nine of whom are British citizens) are (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Fine. I really approve of the goals of the federal Constitution. Satisfied? We are such a long way from when the cup may have been half full at this point in time -- it is so clearly no more than half empty now. And how we can we free others (...) (22 years ago, 26-Mar-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The evidence suggests that your servicemen are not even look at flags: 'The Yank opened up. He had absolutely no regard for human life.' (URL) Alex MacEwen, 25, Lance Corporal of Horse Steven Gerrard, 33, and Trooper Chris Finney, 18, were (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> can't comment on 'friendly fire'--Americans killed Canadians in same fashion in war games earlier... but this one-- (...) Was watching CNN all last night and this was the topic of concern-- (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't blame the *allies* either. UK armed forces have been openly criticising "heavy handed" practices used by the US ground troops. Have a gander at this: British military critical of US troops' heavy-handed style with civilians (URL) (...) (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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On a not unrelated theme: (URL) A (22 years ago, 2-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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