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(...) So you want the state to protect you from yourself and your weak will then? Is that it? I'm going to campaign to outlaw hot fudge, after all, some people can't resist it. (...) It might be what you're advocating, it just doesn't happen to be (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hit fudge hasn't killed anybody, that I recall-I could be wrong. Ask a father what he wants done to the criminal who had just raped and killed his daughter. Weak willed? I don't think so--I'm just glad that laws are supposedly made by rational (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tell you what. I'll concede that... if you can *completely* eliminate guns from the surface of the earth, no one will be killed with guns any more, or at least not until the aliens come. But I'll ***only*** concede that in return for a (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah I think we can all agree on that. -Mike Petrucelli (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, everyone agrees that Dan Rather is an idiot. Except me. Not that I have the answer: I wasn't idiotic enough to watch him in the first place. Perhaps I do have the answer. :-) -->Bruce<-- Okay, 'fess up: who was idiotic enough to declare (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I missed Rather's interview--I think it was on during 'Enterprise' or 'The West Wing', not that I really bothered to check when it was on--I lumped it, mistakenly or not, in the 'Let's get ratings at any cost' group, and I don't seem to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah, that's the dreamer part of me... but it's completely true. (...) I like how you do away with the rest of the logically constructed arguement, that if you *reduce* the number of guns, you will reduce the number of gun related cases of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) HOG PILE!!! :-) (...) Ah, I have the perfect answer-- I started to watch but became so disgusted that I turned it off (and coincidently, that's what really happened) (...) lol My dad watches that too! "It's really fascinating, blah, blah, (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, the American Cup-- All you need is 40 million dollars and a dream... ;) Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That is because the crime rate in Canada and the UK and anywhere else you choose to examine has gone up (NOT down) after Gun Control policies were enacted. It is impossible to reduce the number of guns that criminals will get so long as guns (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But I think the point that was made to you in response to that assertion is that it is a canard-- it will never happen, and so you really could never prove it anyway. But people have thought along those lines and tried to ban guns anyway. (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Care to show cause and effect? I expect not! (...) Given that 500,000 are stolen from lawful owners each year in the USA. Do you think that if more restrictions were put on ownership perhaps less would be stolen? (...) Even in the UK, some (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Do criminals make their guns? Do they have gunsmithing shops in the back of their barns where they can make their .22's and ammo? Well, no. So where do the criminals get their guns? Well, I can think off the top of my head a variety of (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I just recalled that some gun hobbyists make their own ammo. Doesn't detract from the point--criminals are probably doing criminal activities and are not making their own (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please give up on the notion that gun supply can somehow be controlled. There will *always* be guns, whether they are stolen from my house or produced in a third world nation. Anyway, the whole issue will become moot when technology gives us (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're not very good at staying on thread, are you? Nor are you very good at paying attention. Go dig up the red light threads and reread them before you blather further. But assuming you won't, or won't be able to analyse what was said, for (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> Is there stats on this? Without any veil of agenda, I'd like to know how many guns in the black market today come from off shore. Curious. Dave K (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) you think that if more restrictions were put on ownership perhaps >less would be stolen? (...) I think you are agreeing with me? (...) It's a gun's ability to kill that makes ownership so attractive to many. Scott A (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Refutation--the camera itself didn't cause the accident--the camera didn't change the timing of the lights. Saying something like there's causality between the camera and the accidents is like saying thre's causality between people waking up (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for clearing that up. Your assertion in this case is that the cameras themselves are not causative? Rather they are merely tools and it's the people (governments in this case) that use them improperly which cause the problem? So why ban (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh if wishing made it so. I would love to see the day when we would enact laws banning the improper usage of guns. Well, we do already and it's known as 'the law'. Now here's a situation--can we regulate red light cameras and non-interference (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. Now just enforce it. Enforce the laws against robbery, burglary, rape, assault, murder etc, and perhaps there will be less of a problem. But no, the police are apparently way too busy enforcing other laws like when shops can be open (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thank you for allowing me the opportunity of "The Last Word"... Friends, We are gathered here today to pay our final respects to a cherished friend that has been with us over these many years. This recently departed friend of ours was dear to (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Misleading snip for comedic effect or because you didn't understand that you changed my meaning by doing so? (...) The only perfect answer is to not be suckered in even for a minute. :-) (...) It depends on if you ever raced sail boats. I (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) I always liked it when Sherman Potter lost it and shouted "Horsefeathers!!!" That was too cool... Dave K (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I always liked: Radar: Yes, sir? Henry Blake: RADAR! *That* was too cool:-) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's all about the comedy, -->Bruce<-- I was just reminded of when I was a kid with my friends, and we'd all be just sitting around and if one guy stood out for any apparent reason, it would be suddenly time for everyone to jump on him (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Radar talking over anyone and getting things done... You're right--very cool. I had a wee sniffle when Radar left the show, with the salute and all. Notable highlights in my mind regarding Radar... When Margaret thought she was pregnant and (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, David Koudys writes: <snip> (...) More like novella... <g,d,r> (sorry) JOHN (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Not that I haven't talked about my favourite 'Classic Rock' radio station *all day* today... But at 7:55 a.m. (usually on my way in to work) they have "'The Last Word' with Maureen Holliway" She gets on there and basically talks entertainment (...) (22 years ago, 28-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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