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(...) Although John may speak for the soon-to-be-installed right-wing overzealous militaristic hegemonic self-righteous theocracy, his wildly nationalistic statements should not be construed as anything like mainstream American thought, but they can (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In fairness to John, doesn't he have EVERY right to believe his views have been co-signed by the american people? Either by positive act or by apathy, the future has been written. And yes, I do think it may be time to move to a country whose (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'll help you with the lego :) It's the zealous nationalism which blinds people to fixing the issues. I'm a nationalist--I love being Canadian. As such, I believe in a 'just war' scenario--that is, I would pick up a gun and join the armed (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your demagoguery and paranoia aside, let's take a wait-and-see attitude rather than engage in pointless inflammatory rhetoeric. I am just so tired of Americans apologizing for the US-- it is mad that I would have anything for which to be sorry (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, John -- wake up! You're talking in your sleep and some of us can still hear you... Increasingly we have more in common with socialism and/or communism than we do with a free democratic republic, or hadn't you noticed? THE 10 PLANKS OF (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, he can assert that a majority of the estimated 39% of eligible voters chose to vote Republican, and beyond that he's welcome to believe whatever else he likes, of course. But I think he'd come across as less of a stereotypically boorish, (...) (22 years ago, 6-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If by "we" you mean the liberal left, than I guess you are correct. -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There is an easy way to sort that. (...) Why does anyone ever apologize for anything? (...) Is it the judgment you don't like, or the fact that the USA is being judged? Perhaps the French should be denied the right to free speech? Perhaps Bush (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Does somebody else feel like giving dingus a brief history of the "Grand Old Party"? I sure don't... -- Hop-Frog (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No real arguments here, Scott -- just the reminder that your buddy, Blair seems to enjoy kissing Bush's behind. Of course, I am not saying that you agree with that; just pointing out the obvious deficiencies of your own "leaders" over there. -- (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think both France and Germany have done a good job standing up to the Chimp [sorry, I meant Chump] in the Whitehouse. Scott A (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why should US citizens apologize to anyone because our world view happens to differ from other countries'? If I hear of one more Hollywood star say in a press conference in Europe that they hate America, I'm think I'm going to puke! I don't (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Whoa whoa whoa.. Are you reading your own papers? Folks have been held for 'questioning' for long periods of time, even when there are no charges against them. There are people living in, well, not necessarily fear of their lives, but at least (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who has said this? Name the star, and give the citation. (...) The fact that you are unable to imagine a dissenting view by an intelligent, well-motivated person of good character is a fantastic indicator that you yourself are either of low (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The quickest link I could find: (URL) (...) Dave!, tell me why I should care more about some Hollywood star's opinions than anyone else's. The media seems to think that because they make films, their opinions must be somehow more valid and so (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) hating America. Unless you modify your complaint, you are explicitly equating Bush with America, which is insane nationalistic idolatry. And, frankly, that sort of kneejerk follow-the-leader thinking, not to mention your anti-world diatribes (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (You don't have to fly me to Spain to get me to opine that I'm not particularly fond of him either, but if you wanted to, I'd go!) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, I think he was asking where YOU would get your morals... you reminded him where he gets his, which I presume he already knew. We've discussed morality and the origins thereof in the past and I think I'm in the rather small minority that (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Now that is something I can agree with. ('xcept Canada is the best country to live in, but that's just my humble opinion :) ) I don't have cites--thanks for reminding me of hte word-gerrymandering--just folks who live there and to whom I talk (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Click further and you read: ?It makes me feel ashamed to come from the United States ? it is humiliating.? ? JESSICA LANGE Whatever. -John (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree with you completely. I would like to discuss with you sometime our side discussion of joining the Republican party sometime (and I apologize to you for my loser***n jab-- I was just tweaking:) I was intrigued to learn that you would (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I read the whole article, and so did Larry. Did you? Nowhere in it did Ms. Lang say that she hates America. This is not a trivial point, since it highlights your willingness to misread a text for your own purposes. I love the United States for (...) (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm not sure I said that or left that impression. Although my wife does accuse me of being a closet Republican (...) It's not the platform thats so bad in the GOP case (after you cut about 50% away) it's the practice. (22 years ago, 7-Nov-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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