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| | | The White House Office of Drug Control Policy has started an ad campaign in which they are attempting a clever diversion through the logical equivalent of smoke and mirrors. Their assertion is that by consuming product (cocaine) from places like (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | It's easy to put the terrorists and drug lords out of business: just legalize the stuff (and in case that sounds too Libertarian, tax it and use the money for drug education and rehabilitation! <g>). Personally, I think Bush could have inserted (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Larry Pieniazek
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| | | | | | (...) Don't forget, you can't tax it TOO high or it won't work... people will bootleg it. I hear cigs in Canada are getting to that point, people smuggle them in. (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —James Powell
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| | | | | | | (...) Not so much now, as when they were at the ~50 cdn/carton level. (I don't care, since I don't smoke) As long as it is cheaper/easier to get them legally, then most people will do so. But, I can remember seeing _lots_ of DMK packs (DuMàurier (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | (...) I certainly agree that taxes can get outta hand and in this case, overtaxing would defeat the point of legalizing. Bruce (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —John Neal
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| | | | | (...) One might *suppose* the violence would settle, but we have no way of knowing that, much less calling that hypothetical "truth". How many Americans would you suppose could use a highly addictive drug such as cocaine "responsibly"? If cocaine (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | (...) The problem isn't so much that it's illegal, but that we've accepted that it's the law's job to police morality. The danger of legalizing drugs isn't the legalization itself so much as the direction our society is already going with personal (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | (...) are (...) have (...) With which part of what I think is obviously the truth do you disagree? My statement breaks down into: A) The price of coke is inflated above the consumer-market value. B) People are motivated to be 'bad' when it is highly (...) (23 years ago, 4-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Or, more accurately, above the price it would be if legal. (...) People are also motivated to be 'good' when it is highly profitable. (...) That terror may well subside. Doesn't mean it won't be replaced by other kinds of 'badness'. These guys (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Yeah. After I sent that, I didn't like the way I'd worded it. (...) Sure! So things in general should be set up to motivate people to do good, or not motivate them at all and let their inherent goodness rise to the surface. (...) or (...) (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) Maybe you're right, Chris. I just can't get past seeing a friend's family breaking up because they were always arguing about money, when they had a combined tobacco habit of about $200/w. Sure, criminalising tobacco wouldn't have helped. It's (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | (...) Wow! How much do cigarettes cost? Isn't that like what it would cost to have three lit simultaneously, 24 hours per day? I suspect that they had deeper problems of which smoking and arguing were merely symptoms. It is a shame to see any family (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Are you sure about that bit? I've heard, for instance, that two glasses of red wine per week can be heart-beneficial, but that isn't the same as a correlation between alcohol consumption and benefit; there are plenty of other components in red (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! (the stigma) —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | | | | | What exactly *is* the harm in legalizing narcotics? Some people will certainly abuse them, regardless of the law. Some people will also die from them. But people die from all manner of things daily, so why should narcotics be considered some (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! (check this out) —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | I was browsing through Fark.com and came across this: (URL) is a rather long article, but informative. Exactly who do these people think they are to tell The People what they can or cannot suggest? (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! (the stigma) —Adam Myers
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| | | | | | | | | | | | I agree with both Kirby and Chris wholeheartedly. Legalizing drugs would most definately solve more problems than it would create. Those who sit and believe that if legalized drugs would still be sold by your local corner pusher need a strong dose (...) (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | | (...) Maybe I got it wrong. I know about the red wine thing, but I also remember the frequency of intake being greater, so maybe I'm just mixed up. I thought it was a glass per day or something. But I thought there was some greater effect attributed (...) (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | | | | | (...) That's a good point, too. It's my understanding that a sizable number of OD's result from unpredictable substance purity, rather than from some inherent evil in the substance. Dave! (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Healthy Alcohol (was: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism!) —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I meant to get back to this before now, but here goes: (URL) that for men, up to two "drinks" per day without regard to source of alcohol is a health benefit. They say that the red wine this was once believed, but is no more, and that it's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Sep-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Should recreational drugs be illegal? —Ross Crawford
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| | | | | | | | (...) was (...) Thats AU$. At $7 a pack, that's about 2 packs a day each, though he was smoking more than she was. Not hard for chain smokers. Tobacco is addictive. If you become addicted it's hard to stop even when you have no (other) need for it. (...) (23 years ago, 7-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | (...) My gut feel is that for a while the violence would continue as those currently in positions of power because of the current system attempted to maintain those positions. Eventually they would be unable to maintain their positions. (...) My (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | (...) I'd say the truth is that legalization isn't associable. It might be more correct to say that if you support illegal drug use, you support terrorism, albeit inderectly. Whether or not its legalization would change the terrorist state isn't (...) (23 years ago, 5-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | (...) You mean like coffee and cocoa? Well they're certainly getting my support, as I start each morning with a pot of 100% Columbian-- and I sometimes have chocolate at breakfast. (...) It seems to me any distinction made between the goods we find (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Not really-- essentially you want a good mix of various products, not all of them physical. In order to graduate from being a 3rd world country, I expect they'd need other profitable areas... not just a single product like cocoa or cigars or (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Maggie Cambron
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) But is it in the best interest of the world as a whole for them to graduate from being a third world country? Someone has to produce raw goods. And we don't have the global resources for everyone on the planet to sustain the standard of living (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) Heh-- I brought that up in the other corner of the thread :) Threatening to the US? Potentially. Good(TM)? I dunno. Depends on who for, as usual :) (...) Sad but true. I'm not against them producing raw goods, but it seems that: 1. "3rd world" (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Kirby Warden
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| | | | | | | | | | (...) I disagree. Every nation produces raw goods at some level. I'm more worried about large corporations, such as Mansanto in Canada, monopolizing those raw materials/goods just because they've created and patented the means to produce artificial (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) Coca-Cola would return to it's original state. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Dave Schuler
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| | | | | | | | (...) Ah, the good old days! No doubt toothpaste and bubblegum and baby food would soon follow suit. 8^) Dave! (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | (...) If our federal government does things that encourage terrorism (and I think it does) aren't we also supporting terrorism? I think that one of the things that we do to cause terrorism to flourish is implement policy that rewards violence. One (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | | | (...) Indirectly, yes. Just like the whole vegetarian debate. I don't directly support animals being treated brutally, but I won't stop eating meat, either. (...) I guess it would depend on your reasoning for supporting the legalization, but I don't (...) (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) Legalization was not mentioned. The commercials were simply meant as a guilt-trip. Bruce (23 years ago, 6-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —David Eaton
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| | | | | | (...) Now I think I've seen one of the ads in question. It had different teenage-looking kids switching in and out, each one saying a line, then switching: -"I helped kill a father" -"It was just a bit of fun" -"I let a terrorist get a passport" -"I (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Ross Crawford
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| | | | (...) have (...) 30-year (...) Anyway, back to the original topic, this is like saying the carpenter that built the bar supports the attack & rape of women by intoxicated men (and all other gender combinations). I'm still considering whether or not (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: If you oppose drug legalization, you support terrorism! —Christopher L. Weeks
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| | | | (...) In truth, it was my somewhat outrageous opposite reaction to what I still think is an outrageous claim made by those commercials. Someone in the whitehouse ought to either: a) get their head out of their ass (donky, that is), or b) be ashamed (...) (23 years ago, 8-Feb-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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