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Re: On the veracity of statistics in general
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Mon, 22 Oct 2001 07:41:31 GMT
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Scott AIn lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes:
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> > > Even if you are correct. You have produced a report which suggests that one
> > > statistic may be wrong. Your argument alleges that the UN systematically
> > > produces duff statistics.
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> As an aside, I don't think I actually said that. I think they're all SUSPECT
> but some of them may well be correct.
*Nope*, you said this:
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I have no faith in statistics that are originated by the UN unless
independently corroborated, and that's a blanket statement. The UN apparatus
is highly politicised and tends to produce answers that are politically
correct rather than actually correct.
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> Especially the ones that have better
> data collection behind them. The statistic that started this strikes me as
> being VERY hard to verify independently.
So it seams. The best you can do to support your view is pretty dam poor. I
have supported my view with a multitude of sources. On this, I have come to
think that you are either stubborn, or plain stupid. Which is it?
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> > > I'm not clear how you have reached that
> > > conclusion. Perhaps you could explain?
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> > Well, it seems obvious to me that if they have produced one study that is
> > bogus, that all their work is suspect.
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> That's my point exactly.
Read your own post!
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> I said it was a *hard* thing to go googletrolling for, yet I did
> nevertheless find a few examples of wild variances (and posted one of them)
> in 10 minutes of searching.
Larry your "examples" were laughable, and you know it.
> Maybe that is all there was because I'm an
> awesome searcher. But I rather thing I may have been using the wrong search
> terms, though, and there are lots more out there but I haven't found them.
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> Searches at their own (UN orgs such as WHO) sites did not reveal any
> writeups of generic methodology or studies of accuracy they carried out on
> their data but that does not prove anything other than that the searches I
> used didn't find anything.
This sounds like a conspiracy on the part of the new world order. Have you
seen any black helicopters lately? Stop looking for them, and have a look at
this little site:
http://www.un.org/Depts/unsd/sd_economic.htm
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> I am NOT in the "new world order/black helicopters" camp (except when I am
> playing Illuminati).
Really?
> I don't accuse the UN of coordinated and deliberate
> distortion, or some vast conspiracy to take over the world.
Read your own words:
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I have no faith in statistics that are originated by the UN unless
independently corroborated, and that's a blanket statement. The UN apparatus
is highly politicised and tends to produce answers that are politically
correct rather than actually correct.
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To write that that without any firm basis is either very convenient for
your week argument or utter paranoia.
> They aren't that
> powerful! Or competent.>
> I just doubt their statistical and analysis competence to the point where I
> don't think it's likely they are anywhere near close to 100% accurate,
Really. How close then; 99.9%, 90% or 50%? Can you prove that?
Scott A
> and I
> doubt their motives to the point where I expect individual internal
> departments to distort results to further their own ends.
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> We do that here too you know, as the post starting the thread points out.
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