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(...) See Larry's post here: (URL) source you quote on abiogenesis doesn't discuss evolution as a force in living things, presumably since it is irrefutable, and eminently observable. He focuses on the least observable, most speculative and most (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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As I've stated before, I don't have tons of time to devote to this and I'd much prefer a point-at-a-time response than a massive, exhausting (for me) rebuttal. However, that said, I do have a BS in Physics and would be very interested in your (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Evolution is not observable. And to state it again - I'm not attempting to convince you of Creationism here - just that evolution is impossible. You've tried to loop creationism and spirituality back into things - sorry if it appears that that is (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Jon, if I go through this whole article point by point (which is well-informed, if wilfully misleading), and show how evolutionary theory can account for all the "discrepancies" it points out will you actually change your mind, or at least (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't really, so apologies for the brevity of this reply. (...) As Jen Clarke pointed out, there is a theory and there is the phenomenon. The theory could be improved, refined, replaced or debunked, the phenomenon remains real (cf gravity). (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No, evolution didn't happen. As Sherlock Holmes states - or is attributed to have said, "After you eliminate the impossible whatever you are left with, however improbable, must be the answer." I'm not stating that Creation happened (not here, or (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Er - I thought this was the "visiting God" thread?! -Jon (...) is (...) Him, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK. I won't bother looking, I'll take it on faith. <grin, duck> I either didn't remember that, or never saw it, so all I had to go on was what you said today. James (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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No, just Highly Improbable. But it obviously happened ;-) (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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And why is that any more probable than Evolution? (...) -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) FWIW, the Christian view is that God exists everywhere He wants to since he is not contained in a physical body such as we are, thus to state to "visit" Him, doesn't understand the situation. He did, once, take on the form of man when Jesus (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 50, (...) markedly (...) negative?) (...) the (...) in (...) base (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And I agree with Bruce's modification. -- | Tom Stangl, Technical Support Netscape Communications Corp | Please do not associate my personal views with my employer (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've already done that, long ago - search for it if you want ;-) I said I had faith that God does NOT exist, and you can't convince me otherwise. (...) OK, I admit: 1 - IF God exists (I have faith he DOESN'T) 2 - someone MIGHT be able to visit (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Prove it (what's that? We've said time and time again you can't prove a negative?) (...) And just EXACTLY where are you getting these odds? Have you calculated them? (...) We didn't even have to come from an INTELLIGENT life form. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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1 - I dispute your 1:10^50 2 - I don't have the # of stars in the universe handy (NOONE does), but it is multi-magnitudes beyond trillions. Not to mention the possibility of multiple planets around a large # of those stars is becoming more evident (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You can log in on a website and access sat photos. Ones detailed enough to identify your own car in a parking lot. Those satellites can then pick out cars in Brazil. If you have the infinite time, you can step your way from wherever you live (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 50, (...) the (...) I've started a new thread for this topic... -Jon (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHOA! That is completely not what I'm saying. (...) How do you test to see if your thought processes are valid? How do you test to see if the world is consistent with your perception of the world? Where are the knowns in that equation? (...) (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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