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Re: Problems with Christianity and Darwinism
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Sat, 20 Jan 2001 00:02:57 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Jon Kozan writes:
> (It's Friday, so I have time to do this :-))
I don't really, so apologies for the brevity of this reply.
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> Evolution is not a force - it's:
> a) a theory,
As Jen Clarke pointed out, there is a theory and there is the phenomenon.
The theory could be improved, refined, replaced or debunked, the phenomenon
remains real (cf gravity).
> b) [involving] random chance
No, no a thousand times no!!!! Evolution is not random!!! A bacteria (much
less a tiger) didn't wake up one day and say "sheesh, I'm a bacteria, where
did I come from with this amazing biochemical mechanism, I know I'll
reproduce and populate this whole planet". An entity's current conditions
limit its potential future states. There is chance (perhaps) in which of
those states is achieved, but where similar entities are in some form of
competition those that are most successful at survival (in terms of
reproduction), will "win" (have the most descendants). If some entity gets
even a miniscule "edge" on its competitors (like an organic chemical that
helps stabilise its boundary with the outside world), it/its descendants
have a survival advantage.
You can call this a random process if you like, and some parts of it are,
but that doesn't change the fact that Creationists are sad reactionaries who
don't like to admit that the Bible is a human interpretation of our place in
the natural, supernatural and historical world, not the infallible Word. The
whole argument is a telling comment on how adverse some people are to
anything that challenges their worldview, and how destructive people can be
when they can't admit they are wrong. This isn't Libertarianism vs
Socialism, it's observable truth vs fairy-tales.
--DaveL
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| Evolution is not observable. And to state it again - I'm not attempting to convince you of Creationism here - just that evolution is impossible. You've tried to loop creationism and spirituality back into things - sorry if it appears that that is (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) (It's Friday, so I have time to do this :-)) Evolution is not a force - it's: a) a theory, involving b) random chance Random chance cannot product life. the odds are just too far much. Indeed today's leading edge evolution scientists have (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jan-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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