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(...) I don't think they hit to ground because of the lack of religion, but because they tried to force an unrealistic utopia as an economic model. In fact they hit the ground economically, not socially (although I should admit that economic (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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But YOUR god (assuming he exists) sets the rules, so even if a person goes to hell for their perceived sins, they go there because God made them, through the rules. God, if he truly loved his children, would allow ALL into heaven, regardless of (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When I mentioned "impulses to do good, I was referring to atheists" Christians do good in response to God's love. God loves me, and so in joy I want to share this love with others. This is the Gospel, that God loves us all, and wants us to (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So what? Is this well written part of the bible (or any other similar sentences from any other holy books) could avoid the above things and many others from being happened? As I know of, it just provide necessary tools to get support from (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Self-rewarding good-doing isn't by definition altruistic. (...) Christians certainly don't do good for fear of hell. Christianity 101: Saved by Grace. Nothing anyone can do can curry God's love-- it is unconditionally given. Christians do (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is what perplexes me about fundamentalist religion. Given that God is infinite and transcendent, how can any human claim to have perfect or privileged knowledge of God? How can anyone of faith actually be sure that he or she has found the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I can just see you as a child at the local amusement park: walking up to the roller coaster where the clown stands with his hand out saying if you're not this tall you can't ride the roller coaster. I can imagine little self-righteous ++Lar (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Thanks for your great comparative civics tutorial Steve. I'm actually from Australia, and our system is fairly similar. I wasn't sure if you guys had some form of proportional representation (PR) like NZ and Germany for example, hence the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You're right, religion in a generic sense will not necessarily bring out the best in people. I agree that it quite often brings out the worst. I am a bigger critic than anyone on the problems in Christendom, I could go on for hours about the (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I was speaking mainly of communist/socialist governments that replace religion with the state. (...) I know what you mean, I spent 15 months in the Middle East and witnessed much of it first hand. (...) I like that you said, "if a person (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No trap, I was laying one, and it worked. I'm a big eater, he couldn't handle my lunch. Besides, I was using a martial arts/fencing/military tactic of realizing a perceived weakness, telegraphing it to lure the opponent and then using it to my (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure you don't want the books of details that you probably realize could result from such a question, so I'll TRY to give you a brief over-view. (don't know how well I'll succeed) Our primary federal government body is Parliament. Like (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4urs9.L3A@lugnet.com... (...) Yep, I agree. Each individual has to come to this realization for himself or herself. Until its personal, no amount of convincing really helps. It may prompt them (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey, it stands to reason, what you need is a good satanist. Why? Well, because god will forgive you, whereas the guy downstairs...well...he don't forgive! James (and a free lego brick to ID the book that comes from...it's SF) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I presume, confidently, that you refer to those who improve ourselves. Thanx, I'm glad you prefer my sort. :) One doesn't preclude the other. I believe I have been forgiven of quite a lot, but I also strive to continuously improve myself. This (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lol! (...) [snip] (...) exactly. it's kinda like the chads thing (duck). all politics aside, it's probably quicker and cheaper to just eliminate everything "out of the ordinary" ASAP. Companies' waste volume in production no longer surprises (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quick answer, for closure. Under a property rights analysis, there is no right to sustenance, per se. There is a right to offer to trade for or pay for or ask for charitiable sustenance but no requirement that anyone in particular actually (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Happiness is hard to measure, especially in the aggregate. GDP is at best a wildly imperfect stand in, but I'm not sure there are better ones. (c.f. economic theory of law that you turned me on to) (...) Not sure what to make of that, not even (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Tenuous in what way? Were you saying it's logicially unsupportable, or were you threatening fire and brimstone? The latter? If your (stipulated to exist for the sake of this sentence) god sends me to hell, he's not worthy of my worship. I will (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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