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Subject:	Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
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Date:	Fri, 1 Dec 2000 00:47:54 GMT
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"Dave Schuler" <orrex@excite.com> wrote in message news:G4urs9.L3A@lugnet.com... > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Tim Courtney writes: > > You can say that is true, but I prefer to believe that faith and evidence > > and even personal experience all contribute to one's proof of God. > > That's fine on a personal level, but you have to recognize that faith, > evidence(1), and personal experience will never prove His existence to > anoter person, as long as that person is objective and subjects your > assertions to critical analysis. Yep, I agree. Each individual has to come to this realization for himself or herself. Until its personal, no amount of convincing really helps. It may prompt them to explore the possibility, but can never confirm for anyone that this is true. > (2) that is, the assertion that "of course God exists; he's present in you > and me and all things" (which isn't what you stated, exactly, but follows > the same reasoning) is circular and ultimately without empirical value.(3) I undersand the circular reasoning of a lot of Biblical theology. Even though its not empirical, its circular-ness is in some ways part of its beauty from this perspective. > (3) by the way, I hate footnotes of this sort, but sometimes they're close > to unavoidable. Yup (1). (1) I agree. ;-) -- Tim Courtney - tim@zacktron.com http://www.ldraw.org - Centralized LDraw Resources http://www.zacktron.com - Zacktron Alliance ICQ: 23951114 - AIM: TimCourtne

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		Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) ?? In the way the LUGNet trademark device has beauty? That is, it's logically inconsistent, but pretty, in a decorative way? This and something David Low said got me thinking. Is it possible that all or part of the intellectual attractiveness (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

		Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) Sorry guys - saying that belief in God requires a leap of faith - what you're saying in essence - is exactly what Kant said. God is, however, not removed from reality. Belief in God can indeed be arrived at through rational considerations - (...) (24 years ago, 1-Dec-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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		Re: Libertarian debate in danger of pollution (was Re: Will Libertopia cause the needy to get less?
(...) That's fine on a personal level, but you have to recognize that faith, evidence(1), and personal experience will never prove His existence to anoter person, as long as that person is objective and subjects your assertions to critical analysis. (...) (24 years ago, 30-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)

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