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The usual massive and capricious snippage. (...) I'm not sure I'd agree that the degree of change (since the enlightenment, or more specifically, in the last 20 years) is that small. Certainly it's not as large as I'd wish it but it's a lot more (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Just for the record, I think it's worth noting that John and I arrived at our conclusions from widely divergent convictions; John's faith is apparently stronger than mine, but thoughtful rhetorical consideration, paired with a fair perception (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Both of you have made my point very clearly - namely this, you cannot fix a problem until you are able to both realize and accept it's root. We cannot address any of societies problems until we accept the fact that it is bent on selfishness - (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Evidently there's a good number of people east of us that don't mind being lied to either. It may "come with the territory" as things are now, but that doesn't mean that's how it should be or would be. That's the whole point - "it's time for a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This has been my contention for some time, and I'm gratified to hear it restated so eloquently. My problem has never been with the conclusions in Libertopia's arguments, but rather in the assumptions necessary for the system to work. In fact, (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If I may interject, because you two have crystallized the crux of the matter here for me. In a perfect world, Libertopia is, IMO, the best form of government you could have. Problem is, you need to have the perfect world *first*. People need (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think it is the stuff you get when you try to make Lefsa but you don't do it right. /Eric McC/ (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Standing by your principals is commendable. If you concur with those principals, then you absolutely should vote for him. (...) Yes - the three "old-line" parties are various versions of the same thing. (...) Have you actually READ the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:G4qvDE.4D6@lugnet.com... (...) some (...) plan. (...) You know...we lose 90% of our communication online. Its an easy mistake. Well, you now see where I stand. Know that I don't hate you - don't (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<text topped> <I'm saying that (...) <text tailed> If only you knew me. I'm far too disorganised to have any sort of master plan. I'm sorry if I have offended your sensibilities... I really am. Scott A (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Scott A" <eh105jb@mx1.pair.com> wrote in message news:G4qp1v.87r@lugnet.com... (...) I don't think its that simple, but suit yourself :-) BTW - I'll assume that the 'you' there is a typo, where 'he' should have been there. (...) in (...) Second I (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, here's my point. I am all for personal freedom, but even in Libertopia we need to draw some lines. Hey, use all the drugs you want; it's your life to ruin. As long as you do it with the understanding that there won't be any free gov (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<SNIPPED> (...) You may view this as a snipe, but it is more of a BTW. Co-chair the CATA Walfare Privatization research the the USA is Jose Pinera. Pinera was a former minister of labor and welfare in Chile (nice dish), - managed the privatization (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read : (URL) key phrase: "Show me what the support for LP is. Show me it is a representative cross section of the US public." I then clairified: (URL) key phrase: "I'm interested in breadth - not depth. Show me that all socio-economic groups (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Snip it all except the quote If you'd like to define the meaning of *this* (...) as that the LP (not small l libertarianisn) doesn't have deep, broad, election winning support in the US, then I would agree. However that's rather a smaller point than (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is Gafla anyway... it is not in my dictionary. (...) Which came 1st, the egg or the chicken? One way to view Libertarianism, is that it is a good idea taken to its illogical extreme. Saying the world is moving towards libertainaism is, in (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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<tim's text zapped> Tim, Larry could have ended this days ago if you had just answered my points. He asked me to state them here, look down to "Sorry. Stipulate..": (URL) did stipulate (URL) failed to answer me, instead he cherry picked a point made (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes(heavily snipped): (...) **snip** (...) Sorry, Lar, but I think you've broken the duly established "gafla" limit for a single post. 8^) (...) Would that be sufficient for the LP? To have a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <lpieniazek@mercator.com> wrote in message news:G4qF2F.EyC@lugnet.com... (...) to (...) should (...) Lar- I'm pretty much in agreement with what you said in your post. And sometimes I dunno why I keep skimming o-t.debate. :o) So (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Sqirmity squirm. (...) "Directions"? ROTFL. (...) Sqirmity squirm. (...) I think it is. I welcome it. It is gratifying to speak with individuals who are interested in addressing the points... rather than the crowd. "The man who follows the (...) (24 years ago, 28-Nov-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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