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I see the (URL) talks got off to a happy start, demanding that the Iranians and North Koreans give up or do differently their nuclear programmes for peaceful power generation/weapons research/weapons production (as the case may be). Even as a (...) (19 years ago, 5-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Wow! They invaded their own country???? Good way to get that WMD funding approved I guess... ROSCO (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. In that case, perhaps they could have called it "Agent Red White and Blue" rather than the rather un-Patriotic (spit) Agent Orange. (...) I’m inspired by your cowboy president… I love shooting from the hip. ;) Scott A (19 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Think of the morality of our women/children/society/etc" has been the cry behind censorship since time immemorial. It's always in the name of "protection." TJ had it right; those who would sacrifice liberty for some small measure of security (...) (19 years ago, 4-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So the war (URL) was a fabrication>, but who cares? At least the Runaway Bride is home safe and sound. Dave! (19 years ago, 3-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Clearly you're not aware of the facts. The US companies that manufactured the Patriotic Defoliant "Agent Orange" can't be held responsible because they were only obeying the orders of the Commander In Chief during a time of Just and Righteous (...) (19 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Given that, at Washington's behest, Iraq had to pay war reparations after it invaded Iraq, why should Washington not compensate Vietnam’s Agent Orange victims? Scott A (19 years ago, 2-May-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, you kind of expect things like that from someone of the (URL) "Bible Belt"> Do I support it? Hell no! Adr. (19 years ago, 30-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(URL) Alabama lawmaker Gerald Allen says homosexuality is an unacceptable lifestyle. As CBS News Correspondent Mark Strassmann reports, under his bill, public school libraries could no longer buy new copies of plays or books by gay authors, or about (...) (19 years ago, 29-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What a bunch of sickos. They should be incarcerated. My 14-month-old son kicked and screamed this morning when I tried to change his diaper. Should I have beaten him with a cane? I'd hate to think that I missed an opportunity to break his (...) (19 years ago, 26-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hey Dave! They offer (URL) day care>! Funny they don't mention something like "Proud supporters of rod use." under their "Philosophy" page. They certainly sound proud enough to me in that they wrote. Adr. (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Is (URL) the worst thing you've ever read? It's the worst thing I've ever read, and I've read (URL)! Seriously, how ****sick is this monster? Read this bit: My wife and I have a general goal of making sure that each of our children has his will (...) (19 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: We're being attacked by the intelligent, educated segment of culture!
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I'm not discussing the origin of the universe, and neither does Darwin. The Xtians trying to remove Darwin from *science* texts are mixing the 2 up, and trying to put Creationism on the same scientific level as Evolution. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) (...) (19 years ago, 19-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You know, it's a really SIMPLE answer... God is omniscient and omnipotent and created the universe, along with it creating the rules that govern the universe. Science is the human study of the laws of the Universe, those inviolate laws set by (...) (19 years ago, 17-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Read the thread. (...) Perhaps you'd like to forward a "rational" explanation of the origin of the universe? JOHN (19 years ago, 17-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I said Jesus' divinity was irrational. But what is so terrible about being irrational? Is Pi bad? JOHN (19 years ago, 17-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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And what, exactly, does Darwinism have to do with the origin of the *universe*? Darwinism is the origin of the *species*. So you will help fight the irrational Christians that are trying to remove Evolution from science classes, by demanding it be (...) (19 years ago, 17-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Thank you for finally admitting that Christianity is irrational. (...) -- Tom Stangl *(URL) Visual FAQ home *(URL) Visual FAQ Home (19 years ago, 17-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Pretty much zealots like this guy are the reason I've stopped attending Church Proper. And that 'born again' = getting into heaven? Yeah, nice on ya... Idiots all. Dave K (19 years ago, 14-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) **snip** (...) Correction. Make that "Minto ran an afternoon phone-in show in Western PA. Seems that Marty couldn't figure out when to keep his hateful mouth shut. He opined on-air last week that the Pope probably isn't going to go to heaven, (...) (19 years ago, 14-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Should that be "(URL) Gone Poland>"? I suppose now that Bush has won his 2nd term, there is no need for Poland (and others) to maintain their token presence. Scott A (19 years ago, 12-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It's primarily based on what I know about time considering its relation to energy, and how time is actually unconstant. Also, a sneaking suspicion that time is "curved" just like everything else. Similar to how we once thought the Earth was (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Oops! Did I do that? If so, I didn't mean to--sorry! I usually try to refer to the Christian deity as capital-G "God," but I know that I've sometimes included him in the rhetorical group lower-case-g "gods." I try to use the latter reference (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes. AND specifically acknowledged as beyond the understanding of science. (...) Agreed. <faints> :-) JOHN (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It sort of bugs me when people who are referring to God not capitalize it in an attempt to somehow disacknowledge His existence, but I digress (and demote "Science" to "science") (...) I like Lenny's statement, but I think there is much (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't make a statement about the origin. My statement would be: "There is not enough evidence to make an educated statement about the origin of the universe." The origin being defined as the moment(s) before the Big Bang. That statement (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Which "theories of origin," though? Do you mean that the "cause" of the Big Bang should not be discussed, or that the Big Bang itself should not be discussed? If the former, then I agree with you; such philosophizing currently is not suited to (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Yes, but I also contend that theories of the origin of the universe be excluded as well. JOHN (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sounds wise. Therefore, let science be silent on the matter of the origin of the universe. (...) But so is the origin of the universe! (which is my whole point!) (...) Only if you are claiming that they are not physical. (...) There is no (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. Which is why I have yet to see any science argue about events before the Big Bang(1). Those questions are best left to philosophers. -Lenny (1)= Well, not entirely true. Stephen Hawking has an interesting idea about the history of the (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) "Where one cannot speak, there one must be silent." Here, we are confusing the scientific attitude with the attitude of scientists. Science doesn't take a stand on God, since the very idea, as you point out, is beyond the scope of science. (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm not comfortable with the capital "S," by the way, but I suppose that's a stylistic choice rather than a deification of "Science." But I digress... I think that that's a mischaracterization, though. Regarding something that it can't (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) An intelligent Designer could argue that God initiated the Big Bang. How can Science disagree? It isn't possible. The study of the origin of the universe by Science is in and of itself psuedoscience. JOHN (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Really? Upon what do you base that observation? Because based on all of my observations, everything known has a beginning and an end (except the existence of the universe). (...) My point was that it is UNscientific to generate a theory by (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) No doubt. The same way Apollo Landing denyers are a critique to History. Or Alien abductionists are a critique to Governmental policy. Or, I hate to say it(1), as Holocaust denyers are a critique to History. My point is that I have yet to hear (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Funny. Here you argue against teleology (the world is as it is because it was {designed}) (...) And then here you finish an arguement {for} teleology. A question for you: Isn't it possible that these coincidental parts of physics (water being (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It originated by a story about that, but I don't think anyone is defending it. It is more about a critique of Science WRT to the origin of the universe. JOHN (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Dave Schuler wrote: <snip> (...) And this may be the crux of my problem with Science. Science categorically denies the existence of anything it cannot investigate. It requires proof, something that is categorically (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I will state again that my God isn't the 'god of the gap', so you don't have to go looking for it. Furthermore, I didn't consign 'God' to whatever science cannot answer. If that's the interpretation then I didn't make my point clear. Let's (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually, I think the technical reason is that God doesn't exist because there can be no *disproof* of God. IE, no matter what sort of tests you could set up, you'd never be able to *disprove* God's existance no matter what the outcome of (...) (19 years ago, 11-Apr-05, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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