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(...) And by "Selective Interpretation" you mean anything short of the way you see it?-Ken (20 years ago, 24-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) John, You're a business owner, we all know you do much of the shirts for the clubs and Brickfest. Let me pose a question. What if you made a "special edition" Lego-based T-shirt for some club or big event. Say the group wanting the shirts told (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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"Larry Pieniazek" <larry.(mylastname)@...e.DOT.com> wrote in message news:I96Ln0.1GsL@lugnet.com... (...) [ ... snipped ... ] (...) there (...) hardly (...) I too agree with Dave Schuler and Larry. I really applaud Dave Koudys for continuing to be (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The above is not just the DMAS (Dave Mutual Admiration Society) speaking, there are a lot of other people on LUGNET that feel the very same way, myself included. (...) I totally agree with this, well said, Dave! (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hey now, there's no need for that. Dave K can speak for himself, but what the heck--I can speak for himself, too. Regardless of his national origins, I have always found Dave K to be honest and forthright. He is willing to admit when he is (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You may be a man of your word but you have 'selective interpretation' down to a science. If you want to debate the facts, I'm all for it. If you continue to ignore what actually happened, then we're done here. Take care, Dave K (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hi Ka-On, <snipped> (...) Got me curious about this. It is really true what you are saying? Or are you talking about the average middle/high class? Isn't it true that overthere you have a lot of children labour? I saw a documentary in Discovery (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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What makes you think that Lego would deign to expend the effort it would take to lie to a bunch of insignificant moqsuitoes like us? The contribution margin on the entire load of Maersk ships probably amounts to what we accountants call a rounding (...) (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't need anything to be interpreted. Anyone who knows me knows I am a man of my word. How about you?-Ken (20 years ago, 23-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Spin. Stop it. 'They' did no such thing as 'break a promise'. Fact--TLC had a limited quantity of Maersk Blue pellets and, with no contract with Maersk at the time, as stated, they were not going to get anymore Maersk Blue pellets to make more (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I fully understand what Lego said. I fully understand they broke that promiss. When I say I will do something you can trust me to do it. How about you? -Ken (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't care what happened as far as set numbers. What I do care about is that this was presented as a "Limited Edition of 10,000". They then proceded to break that promiss. What is your word worth?-Ken (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) In fact, the run of this new set uses all the Maersk blue ABS pellets we have left. That means that there is literally no Maersk blue ABS left. Even the parks can no longer get Maersk blue. This is a small run too – only 14,000 total, with (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Can we please stop with the spin on the situation? There were no lies At the time, no contract with Maersk to make future sets and LEGO had these pellets to get rid of. Come out with nifty set and use up pellets--limited 'cause, as stated by (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SNIP (...) SNIP (...) No confussion here. They said through Jake M., SHO, and press releases that it was LIMITED TO 10,000. I don't care about collectability. I bought two the first time one for myself and another for a nephew. I may get (...) (20 years ago, 22-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's a theory I buy into..., and until a "solution" is demonstrated, it's a safely self-satisfied theory. Conflict is human nature, and until the day we're all lobotomized, or extinct, it won't change. Keeps things interesting I s'pose. :] (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It was in Jake Mckee's own words as well as press releases and marketing through SHO (...) SNIP I too however it strikes directly at fundemental honesty and respect for the consumer that Lego would do this. SNIP (...) Not really I'd welcome it (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well I haven't financed a study however the financial news is rife with news on how Lego continues to loose money and market share while it's competitors continue to grow. Not even Lego argues this point. Every day I cross paths with kids who (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Indeed. I have wondered why the same names keep popping up over and over with respect to TLC negativity. Almost feels a bit like a psy-ops campaign. Free speech is one thing. Excess indulgence is another. fut to .off-topic.debate ( shame we (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hmm. More sweeping statements, with absolutely nothing to back it up. Again. (...) If you're aware of the ratio between LEGO soliciting opinions and acting on opinions, then you must have some data to back it up. Show it. Put up or shut up. My (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Hi John, I wasn't actually referring to you personally... more the continuous TLC-bashing I've seen from some people, and not just on this subject. Makes you wonder why some people bother frequenting LUGNET, or buying LEGO, at all, if they (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Perhaps there are different connotations of the term "limited"? "Limited" in that we will purposefully limit production to X number of units to create collector demand, and will never produce them again, thus protecting their collector's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm pretty sure that the 10152 wasn't either. This whole thing seems to turn on a mistranslation more than anything else. That's pretty funny at one level, actually. Most of the rest of the difference appears to be cultural, we seem to have a (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'm pretty sure the duck wasn't marketed as a "limited edition of 10,000". It really matters not what their excuss is if they changed their mind they could have changed the model. Their move was compleatly unethical and problably leaves them (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) around the Transition Team a few months back. Not sure what effect it had or how to "fix" some of the things (one of his theories is that some things are fundamentally unfixable)... (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.lego, Kelly McKiernan wrote: <snip> (...) I just want to make one thing clear. Merely because I have a gripe about a particular decision made by TLC, that doesn't mean I am throwing the proverbial baby out with the bathwater. I love LEGO (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I promised myself I wouldn't continue fanning the flames here, but I couldn't resist one more... The gist of the complaints against TLC I'm hearing is they've made a business decision that "changed" from an earlier "promise" (neither of which (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) MAJOR SNIPAGE (...) The problem doesn't lie within the community it lies within the company. Proof of this is that they are dumbfounded as to why with all of their efforts they are still loosing money. I missed The whole Marsk debate but let's (...) (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For your amusement: (URL) #203 (20 years ago, 21-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Oh come on now! What's wrong with a civilized, lively debate? That's what Lugnet is for, beside listening to wonderful news coming to us occasionally from THE MOUTH OF LEGO (imagine raving orcish minifig hordes in the background ...)* Agreed, (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.lego, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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As an outsider looking in, it appears to me that if the "Liberals" what power all they have to do is shout about god a bit and bash gays a little. It is that simple! ;) Scott A (...) (20 years ago, 20-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I hope you guys (including Marc Sandlin) didn't think I thought i was copied on! As I said, my ship and Chris' are similar, but i don't think he even saw mine when he did his. I never meant to accuse Chris, let that be clear please! I was (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I can't speak to that question. It's not the argument I've made and I do not think that it's the argument that Peter (the New Republic editor) made either. I think rather he's making the argument to his own brethren that they are missing the (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Um, you do realize that the issue has ended. Please stop facilitating the discussion. I've been enlightened and have changed my ways of going about posting messages here and seeing the AFOL community in general. Ergo: It's over. Let it die. I was (...) (20 years ago, 18-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.space, FTX)
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(...) If the argument is that all liberals have no validity because of Michael Moore, and therefore Kerry lost, why then hasn't every conservative lost because of the Big Fat Lying Drug-Addict? :-) -->Bruce<-- League of Green-Eyed Devil's Advocates (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Being against the war in Iraq does NOT mean being for Totalitarian Islam. Or, why Kerry lost and why Michael Moore is still a weenie... From The New Republic, specifically here: "A Fighting Faith (AN ARGUMENT FOR A NEW LIBERALISM.) by Peter Beinart (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, now that *is* pretty ridiculous, and they're succumbing in real, large-scale terms to the false dichotomy you identified. Outside of your direct experience, most of what I've heard has defaulted to "we have rules that apply to everyone (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Which is what I favor. And what I think Buckley favors too, although it would surely be harder to convince you of that than me. He's a knee jerk old school conservative but even stopped clocks are right twice a day (well, once a day if they're (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As long as the threat profile is reasonably specific and based on sound policy, rather than "I think that guy looks Arabish/let's frisk him," which is what Buckley's describing. Here's the part where he plays his hand: "The point is not (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seems pretty clear to me (1). He's asking why make things easier for the hordes of people that clearly are little no threat whatever in order to be a bit less PC to people that fit the threat profile more closely? Quoting from the part you (...) (20 years ago, 17-Dec-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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