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(...) You summed up what I would have responded with very succinctly, Orion. I agree with you assessment of atheists, and proper definition of agnostics. -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Actually you're confusing terms here. Agnostics believe that the existance of God is "inherently unknowable" whereas (most) atheists believe that God's existance is "unproven". There is a relativly small faction of atheists (known as hard (...) (20 years ago, 16-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've actually known a few people who fall into that category, and, despite the fact that the Christian church tried to annex Halloween (remember All Saints' Day, the day after Samhain?) and basically failed (especially when compared to the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...until it becomes agnosticism, the only true non-religion. The fundamental difference between atheists and agnostics is that atheism, like all religions, makes firm dogmatic claims regarding the existence of a supernatural being and the (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Y'know, sometimes I just shake my head and want to give up. Those that have a problem with Hallowe'en should have a problem with it no matter the day of the week. Sending little Johnny dressed up as 'the devil' on Saturday is okay, but don't (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I thought "Bah, humbug!" only was used in conjunction with Christmas. :-) (URL) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Doh! Next time, try juxtaposing the three of them apart. Maybe I'll get it, then. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I figured as much, which is why I juxtaposed the three of them together so the full irony would be apparent. Of course, if ya gotta explain a joke.... -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Looks like mollusc has run out. Actually, when I first read your post, I saw "declaimed" as "declammed," so the non-sequitur was borne of a misreading of your sequitur. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Clams got legs! Unfortunately, your disclaimed/declaimed/declammed non-sequitor doesn't. Unless I reply like a fool, in which case....oh no.... -->Bruce<-- clamming up... (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I guess my posts could sometimes be declammed when I've cited too many shellfish. Dave! (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Dictionary.com gives a serviceable definition of (URL) religion,> a definition with which I find myself in general agreement. In casual parlance I would pare it down a little further to say that religion entails the worship of and/or positive (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is entirely dependent on approach. I've seen atheists who approach it as a religion, and others that do not. Generally, the more strident and absolutist an atheist is, the more it approaches a religion. The more dispassionate and scientific (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) All religions are belief systems, but not all belief systems are religions. (...) Nor does it necessarily mean that it is. (...) No, I didn't miss it, I just wasn't convinced. My take then was that you were arguing by assertion. I'll take this (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Shouldn't that be "declaimed", and not "disclaimed"? On no! Your entire argument now has now been forfeited! Nyahh. Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh. ;-) -->Bruce<-- (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) What is a religion, if not a "belief system"? Just because atheism is not an organized religion doesn't mean it's not a religion at all. (...) You must have missed my lengthy discussion with Mr. Schuler regarding the fundamental differences (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I did not rip you. I cautioned you against the use of a Straw Man falacy in misapplying the definition of tolerance, but that's a discussion of rhetoric. If you perceived my addressing of your rhetorical shortcomings as a "rip" on you (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) SNIPPED in order to meet post req's (...) SNIP for post req (...) Dave, this discussion is a total joke. You rip me for assuming you're a moral relativist because you don't come out and say you are, and then proceed to use every type of moral (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't assume anything about Dave - his own statements show he is a moral relativist. Nobody else here apparently has problems calling things as they see them when it goes against their own positions. I'm no different. And I am just about (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Many people view atheism as a belief system rather than a religion. Your points still stand, nonetheless, but I did want to point it out. I'll go farther, and state that I feel that people who consistently call atheism a religion are, in my (...) (20 years ago, 15-Oct-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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