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(...) So isn't now the perfect time for a more stealthy chopper? I think the misson requirements could be re-orientated toward todays needs but I don't think the whole program needs to be scrapped. (...) Were'nt large parts of both gulf wars (...) (21 years ago, 24-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Is Nader really THAT stupid, or just a secret lapdog of GWB?
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Once again, Ralph Nader is shooting for the impossible, and once again (hopefully NOT, this time, as people will remember last time), he will take votes from the Dems, possibly putting GWB back into office. Sometimes I wonder if he's on GWB's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | global warming
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Hey all, just thought I would post a link to two reports that I just found. Currious what kinda of debate could grow from them: (URL) (21 years ago, 23-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Philosophy According to Franklin -- What is a Box?
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(...) (Sorry for the spelling error...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Digitally Signed Email
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FUT: lugnet.off-topic.debate "Matthew Miller" <mattdm@mattdm.org> wrote in message news:slrnc385ha.8ka.....bu.edu... (...) good (...) It's a little silly to say "Simply have all users convince their ISP to change their email infrastructure". I'll (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.general, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Philosophy According to Franklin -- What is a Box?
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What is a box? Seems like a simple question, so it outh to have a simple answer... Let's start with a basic definition -- a box is a rectangular solid; that is, a three-dimensional object having six sides (or "faces"), each of which is a rectangle. (...) (21 years ago, 19-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) Agreed. (URL) HERE> is another, acknowledging your very concern;-) JOHN (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | May I present...
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(...) Watch out, purists--another clone-fan is on the scene. One Matthew Aaron Schuler made his debut at 12:34PM ET on Feb 9. Mom, Dad, and son are super-groovy, I'm happy to report. If you're interested, pictures will follow tomorrow, so that all (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.clone-brands, lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.people)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) I'm not sure which parts of LUGNET you've been reading, but a number of us are passingly familiar with the correct usage of moot. (URL) Here> is part of one of many discussions about that very word (at least, a discussion of one of its (...) (21 years ago, 18-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Americans on the word 'nucular' (was Re: Bush on Nucular Non-proliferation)
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(...) I don't know that I'd tease him mercilessly about it, but it just seems, well, incongruous (a word I shouldn't be using in chatting with the majority of the American population perhaps ;-). Can it be true that its a relatively small proportion (...) (21 years ago, 13-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Yurpeans [Re: Bush on Nucular Non-proliferation]
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This one from the past came to mind: (URL) (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) I don't know. What was his "kill rate" before the war? How many women & children did he kill in the run up to that war? (...) Rumsfeld: "We know where they are." As an aside, the whole country does not have to be checked; pre-war, SH did not (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I've heard it said that his choppy speech actually makes him more popular. Yeah, sure he gets teased mercilessly by people with a well-refined vocabulary, but that's a relatively small portion of the US population. The rest are in the same (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) How long do you think it would have taken Hussein & Sons to kill that many if they'd been left in power? Anyways, the US was directly responsible for putting Saddam in charge of Iraq those many years ago. Quite frankly, it worries me that the (...) (21 years ago, 12-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Bush on Nucular Non-proliferation
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Dudes, Heard chunks of his broadcast address on this today (complete with the audio test tones playing over the first ten minutes). There is a summary of it (URL) here>. It would be a lot easier to take him seriously if he could say the word (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Because it is ultimately their prerrogative. You are aware of that basic notion of sovereignty, aren't you? (...) That is their problem. As a non iraqi, you have no vote on the matter - do you? (...) That is your problem, granted. But it's up (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Smell the coffee John; time is telling as we speak! (...) I was wrong in a way; it looks like he did not have WMD. I feel he would have used them if he had them. (...) Show me the link with OBL. (...) He could not even police his own country! (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) 4 Points: I'd say the Palestinians are on the receiving end of "terrorism” more than the USA is. I'd say that not all the attacks on Israel are "terrorism". I'd say there is not a lot of evidence in the public domain to show that the USA is a (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | courage in combat [Re: To change the tune...]
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(...) I'm not clear what Mr Kelly’s politics are, but he does have my respect. I'm no fan of the Vietnam War (nether was he), but he did serve his country with considerable distinction; both "in country" and in sharing his opinions & experiences (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You may think he's a liar, but I don't, so on that issue we may have to agree to disagree. Now as far as incompetency goes, I say this. Bush could only make a decision based on the "facts" given to him. But given SH's history, and the (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) That still only takes up back to the he's an incompetent or liar question, and saying the answer is incompetent still means he shouldn't be president. (...) What terrorists were going to destablize his neighbors? They would have gone for Iraq (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: Renegade Republicans (was re: To change the tune...
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(...) To be honest, so am I. The tax cut was good. The dissolution of the IRS would be terrific. But I think we are seeing the pitfalls of a guy who is known for compromising and getting along. But voting Democrat??? How in the world would you ever (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) (talking about Iraq here) It's not that they can't, it's why would they? It costs billions of dollars for such a venture, where the oppotunity cost may never be made up. Unless there is something else about the nuclear plant that one is (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Renegade Republicans (was re: To change the tune...
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(...) G H W "I never met a spending bill I didn't like" Bush is the renegade Republican, my friend. USD 500B deficits as far as the eye can see, more government, more spending on social welfare programs, more intrusions into people's private lives, (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: To change the tune...
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(...) Well, okay. Bush believed SH possessed them and was fully willing and able to share them with his aquaintances at any time. Interesting question: Did SH know that he didn't have WMDs? Was he deceived by his own scientists? (...) Not so sure. A (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You'll have to quote me some source for that sequence of events - it sounds like the Official Saddam Version. And yes, even if that's the real undisputed sequence (which I'll bluntly say that I doubt), he'd still do it in a heartbeat. (...) (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I doubt it. After we back-stabbed him like that? He came to us and asked permission to invade Kuwait. We told him officially, and on the record, that we had no opinion on his minor border dispute. As soon as he committed we mobilized and (...) (21 years ago, 11-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) As I said, splitting hairs. The indication was that Saddam had WoMD and was going to either use them himself or hand them out like candy to Islamic extremists (who would only to be happy to use them on Saddam, given half a chance). (...) He (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It probably would, but that's not what draws my attention in your post: Exactly why can't a nation with oil resources seek nuclear capabilities? (...) Then why did your country require inspections in the first place? That is, if they were so (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I disagree in this sense: I believe what Bush meant was that, given time, the inevitable proliferation of WMDs to terrorists by SH was bound to occur, just not "imminently". If SH already had the weapons, then an attack could have happened at (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's splitting hairs: "Grave and gathering" "Urgent". Bush is doing the Texas Two-Step. But on the other count, yes, Bush indicated that Saddam was to be removed from power - specifically because of the WoMD. Can't find any WoMD so now it's (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I don't have time to research it, but you are dead wrong on both counts. He called for Saddam to step down, and never used the term imminent threat. (...) Please, at this point nobody knows the "truth". For all we know, the WMDs could have (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Believe what you want. Time will certainly tell. (...) Well, some did. How can you be certain that you would have been right? (...) Facts? What "facts"? The facts are that he had them in the past, he had the willingness to use them, and he was (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I'd say the 'capable of attacking within 45 minutes' was imminent enough. (...) Show me before the war where he said that? You know Dubya, et al. mentioned the imminent threat of Iraq many times over, but I don't recall anyone saying that the (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) That's not quite the whole story. He wanted SH removed and replaced with a pro-US stooge. The people of Iraq are going against the plot... they are asking for democracy! (...) Because of the agenda set by Washinton & London. Even I thought he (...) (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: This is where I actually want a gun
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(...) (URL) I suppose they can...> ROSCO (21 years ago, 10-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Neither. But the results are the same aren't they? JOHN (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Would you prefer your child to be wrongly executed by a court or murdered by some psycho? Chris (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) You need to understand what "Democracy" means. (...) It is not only "Islamic extremists" who oppose what Israel is doing. (...) Yep, it's a (URL) f> (URL) a> (URL) c> (URL) t>. (...) You are in denial. Scott A (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is hard for me to see how prison could be zero cost. Criminals tend to on the dim side and have low earning potential. How could one motivate them to work without rewarding them with (say) cable TV? In the UK, the cost of keeping a man (...) (21 years ago, 9-Feb-04, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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