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(...) Inadvertantly!!!!... I seriously forgot that you smoked... it's not something I pay much attention to (except when I get a load of bricks from Europe and it starts reeking up the house as soon as I slice into the first layer of packing tape, (...) (21 years ago, 30-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Okay, smart Guy...... Oh, before I start my reply I would like to say I find this thread also great fun. Even if Larry pokes at me :) (...) Yes, I used to fill vending machines and I would guess that about 40% of my income was due to everyday (...) (21 years ago, 30-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Let me get this straight, then: the article only mentions "pressure" by the USA, when trying to make sure others *EXEMPT* US citizens from prosecution in ICC. In essence, are you accusing your own country of covertly "bribing" those who grant (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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For those who think Bush is right in trying to get Iraq's debt lifted... perhaps you should suggest he look closer to home first: (URL) It's greed, not ideology, that rules the White House> ==+== The Kissinger transcript proves that the US gave (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not really. It was a personal recollection; as was clear in my post. (...) Was it not clear from my post that the cited page was reather light-hearted? (...) Your post was in direct response to mine; that should be clear to everyone? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) of the Cato Institute... (...) I'm mostly on the same page as you here. However I don't think the US constitution ever promised that non citizens have any particular rights outside of US borders did it? I think habeas corpus applies to (or at (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually I think Scott brought it up and the answers you seek are in the article he provided earlier in this thread: (URL) for some reason you mysteriously deleted in this post: (URL) you so desire, you can reprint the entire BBC article here. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(moreso than usual...) From (URL) court rulings last week about the rights of prisoners held in the U.S. "war on terrorism" represent a rebuke to the Bush administration's legal tactics following the September 11 attacks, analysts and human rights (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ok. I find it relevant because *you* brought it up, and have not ellaborated what you meant. It's very easy to leave vague suspicion in the air, so what I'm asking you is to be blunt and say whom, in this regard, bribes/is bribed and *to do (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yes, but I don't, so I can't really add much here. Perhaps if you tell us *why* you find it so relevent I might be able to reply to that. (...) No, you got me there. We usually hire professional lawyers and politicians around here to "fix" (...) (21 years ago, 23-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It's (URL) all there> at the LP site. He explains the philosophy in simple terms: "Everyone leaves everyone else alone." And: "At Waco, was there really an urgency to get those people out of the compound at that particular time? Was the press (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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much snippage (...) I should note that there is good info elsewhere in that site, many of the arguments that Hubin makes against Libertarianism (in the guise of making arguments against the arguments advanced by libertarian macho flashers, there is (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I stress again that I find this relevant. (...) Oh bribery is a crime all right. But I doubt it can fit the definition of war crime. Care to prove me wrong? (...) True, it is close to Europe (we use the term "Mediterranean Basin" as well when (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) On this I concur. As stated earlier, sarcasm and humour have their places in debate and discourse--however, there has to be some substance--saying a point is stupid is fine and all--proving it is where the true debate lies. (...) snip sit back (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Unfortunately, sometimes they are cites of the caliber of the ones given in this post (URL) first one is an unattributed false (1) claim that tars by association(2) and the next one is facile... the cited material is not much more than satire (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I agree. I once read that the nearest we have ever come to libertarianism was Pinochet's Chile… OK if you were rich I suppose. Check past posts in this very group and you'll see that libertarianism been comprehensively rubbished by everyone (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) A (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the case of the USA, I'd like to change that to: "I don't believe in capital punishment anymore for when was the last time you saw a rich white person get executed. It's my feeling that the death penalty is barbaric. The way it is applied (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) For the record, I've always tried to provide cites! Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John & yourself are free to try. ;) Scott A (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Agreed. I don't think you actually can have a pure anything. But you can have systems that are more libertarian or less, and more socialist or less, and more fascist or less, etc. I claim that the more libertarian you go, the better things (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) True, but neither has pure Communism, pure Socialism, or pure Democracy, for that matter. I'm not convinced that we can meaningfully speculate what a "pure" incarnation of any of these systems would be like, except by undertaking selective (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think that's a bad assumption. Human beings didn't evolve to what we are by being nice to all the other furry creatures, or for that matter, other local tribes of human beings. Goodness came later, when we had time for that sort of thing. (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In some states, driving has been argued to be more of a right than a privledge. I don't actually know how they work it in the EU, so maybe it's not the best example, but it was easy to lay out. (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) It (in pure form) hasn't been tried in practice. (...) Why? Take as your base assumption that people are basically good, with some exceptions, and set up your system to reward goodness and punish badness. Suffering the consequences of your (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Good example. The system has been set up to exempt tickets from due process, in my view, because they say driving is a priv, and it's not a criminal offence but rather a civil infraction and a bunch of other stuff. That's their explanation, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since it's Christmas^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hthe Holidays, I figure I should throw in this nugget for you debators. I also think this is the problem with Libertarianism (is that a word?) In Theory it sounds like a really good system, but it falls (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Charge anyone caught bribing smaller countries with war crimes? (...) Sorry, I blame my crappy US lack of education for that one. I meant the Balkans. (...) Yeah, but North Africa is geographically closer to Europe than the US. And there is a (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Ahh, the Misanthropic B goes mainstream.... I know a family very much like that. But, eh, whatrya gonna do? Dave K -almost a guarantee that it's not TMB, but the article vaguely reminded me of her... (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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So close to the big holiday (and thinking of the bills I'll be saddled with, Josette decided everyone at the barn needed a new saddle blanket with their name embroidered on it as a gift and guess who gets to pay!), I found this story amusing, but (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Two shows a night, plus a matinee on Sunday. Don't forget to tip your server. Dave! (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Not militant, merely persnickety. One's bad, the other's a charming quirk. See how that works? :-) (...) He was mayor of Carmel CA (I think it was Carmel, I know it was somewhere in CA), so he has a little experience. Also he's made vaguely (...) (21 years ago, 22-Dec-03, to lugnet.mediawatch, lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) lol I applaud you, Pedro, for making puns in a foreign language-- a trick that many native tongues find elusive! Well done:-) JOHN (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Well with both groups copied, they're on/off topic no matter what. Depending on where you want to take this, I guess. (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) We surely can debate that... :-P Pedro (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.pun, FTX)
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(...) Yes. And "to what end" as well, don't leave that one out. (...) And what do you propose to "fix it", if anything? (...) Two things: if money could buy charges in the ICC that easily, the court would be overwhelmed with legal actions already. (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snip> From the site: " Gee, sometimes this new technology does have glitches, but we couldn't live without it, could we? Oh - is it ready? OK, here we go: " reminded me of Bill Maher, who was on Larry King the other night... He told this (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think actually that was what sohmer did, at least it seemed that way to me early this morning but I was a bit bleary eyed... (...) Or in this case just use it! Tangentially I believe that Todd has that feature under development for here. (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I laughed. That PPP was really funny--'new nations' bar graph--1.0... (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Agree, but it's a good one. (...) Both parties were just childish--"It's my birthday so I wanted to post a hottie!! Why is everyone picking on me???" "Oh fine! If you don't want my hotties then someone else can do it!!!" This is where my 'put (...) (21 years ago, 20-Dec-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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