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(...) You do realize that much of that stuff is predicated on the very claims that the White House made that are now being contested, right? I would think it's a debate error to claim as fact, or even as support, the very things being questioned. To (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, John Neal wrote: Oops. Sorry (I hate it when folks don't use hyperlinks:-p) (2 URLs) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bad example. How did Thomas Jefferson deal with stateless terrorists? He increased the power of centralized government, raised a navy, and went to war. The Barbary Pirates (ummmm specifically the Corsairs of Tripoli) were seizing ships and (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) (URL) AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 (...) Certainly some. And convince and assist the other countries to purge them by themselves. (...) Really? When were you summarily investigated and databased? (...) (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) There is zero proof Iraq was harboring anyone plotting moves against the U.S. AQ, in particular, is supra-national. Cells may exist in as many as 60 countries including the U.S. Are we going to go after them all, John? (...) Freedom from being (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ??? Or it may not have. (...) ??? Or they may not have that. (...) ??? Or it might not have. (...) How exactly were they looking to draw their conclusions? This article is basically opinion. (...) Thank you for the warning, Doctor Spin. JOHN (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, there you have it. There's nothing like an open mind, and yours is nothing like it! But to answer anyway: In both Iraq and Afganistan, terrorists were allowed safe haven to train and plot their attacks. By eliminating the governments who (...) (21 years ago, 2-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Conflict 'may have driven Muslims into arms of al-Qa'ida' (URL) The war to topple Saddam Hussein may have damaged the campaign against international terrorism by driving Muslims into the arms of al-Qa'ida, an all-party committee of MPs said (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) One reference that would seem to fit your Libertarian philosophy is Michael G. Coney's "The Jaws That Bite, The Claws that Catch." But I don't think that's the one you're referring to. Dave! (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Nope, I was thinking of another one. It's probably been done several times. Frank (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Brown Girl in the Ring? Anyway, William Burroughs wrote an essay on this very idea in the late 70s or early 80s -- it was carried in Heavy Metal magazine. It loosely relates to his novel as screenplay, "Blade Runner." -- Hop-Frog (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) This is an incredibly important consideration that the pro-Death Penalty and lock-em-up-and-throw...e-key-away people tend to totally ignore. There are a few things that do justify indefinite incarceration, but very few in my mind, for just (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please explain with great specificity how the twin invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq have made us safer from terrorism. Of course, keep in my mind that there is much intelligence claiming the exact opposite of your probably false assertion (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Mandatory life sentences create very dangerous, panicked offenders. If you were DUI and killed someone, and you KNEW that you were guaranteed a life sentence, what exactly do you lose in trying to run, possibly killing more people (think a DUI (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) What is your definition of "imperfect safety"? As long as other people are killed by terrorists and I can still have my freedom, I can live with imperfect safety. Well what if you were in one of those towers? Tell me how you can live through (...) (21 years ago, 1-Aug-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Uh, the stomach to defend the U.S. Constitution, John?! I'm sorry, but I think at least some of us are willing to do that and also have the stomach for it. Freedom is not the same as perfect safety. I can live with imperfect safety if I can (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) John, as an outsider, this is not convincing. Half the people you are worried about today were your allies a few years ago! What has changed to ensure the torturers and murderers the USA is nurturing today won't kick you in the ass in 10 years (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Bush & Co think so. I think that they are correct. We shall see... (...) That's it! Isn't this the entire crux of the issue? How does a free and open society protect itself while respecting civil rights? The answer and dirty little secret is (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It is my understanding that the money for AQ is known to come from SA, it is not conjecture at this point (if it ever was). The question is: does the SA govt. condone or even know about this activity? Obviously, attacking SA is out of the (...) (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Well, we could open an exception for cars carrying large amounts of ABS to happy consumers' homes... ;-) Pedro (21 years ago, 31-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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