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(...) The reality is that Mr Martin shot a 16-year-old kid in the back from a range of four feet using a weapon he should not have had. Read on: (URL) Mr Martin was tried using standards which put certain aspects of your legal system to shame. Why (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
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(...) What ever happened to “innocent until proven guilty”? BTW: How hypocritical will it be if (as has been suggested) Rumsfeld publishes pictures of their bodies? Scott A (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Y'know, I cannot recall a single instance before the administration of Shrub where the idea of detaining people in contravention of the most basic of all of our supposedly protected civil rights AND the idea of torturing them was part of every (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Sorry to bring up an old thread (dons flame-resistant suit), but I've always thought it was 'ni.' But maybe that's just mi. I'd think 'nee' would be said 'nay.' At least in some countries. ekki ekki f'tang zwoop-boing bbmmbrwow ni -Tim (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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(...) So are you asserting that because they never had their day in court, they were innocent? (...) Your comparison is, if not completely laughable, not analogous. (...) Dude, to go out in a blaze of glory was their decision! I read a quotation (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) I was referring to your partisan liberalness. (...) I think you are unaware of how liberal your ideas actually are. I know I'm conservative; I'd bet you think you are pretty moderate... (...) No (thanks to the Israelis). Your refusal to come (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
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(...) Agreed. (...) Fair enough. (...) Hindsight is certainly 20/20. I would be more apt to concede culpability if we actually had any idea as to his evil character, and even given that it is sometimes necessary to choose a lesser of 2 evils (...) (21 years ago, 24-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) From: (URL) did not identify the other two who were killed. U.S. officials said Tuesday that one appeared to be a bodyguard, the other a teenager who may have been Qusay's son." I wonder if the kid died trying to cover his father, is spite of (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Re: With Saddam's sons dead, now we just need to bag dad (Baghdad get it?)
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(...) They were bad. Do I celebrate *anyone's* death? No. Do I put "..seriously thought that the death of those two rat b***ards..." No. I think that justice would be served if the couple in St Kitts were put to death, but I would not celebrate it. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) Probably. But the impact of their deaths remains to be seen, alas. I am hopeful that the elimination of those two brutes will allow Iraq to begin to heal from the atrocities inflicted upon it by enemies both at home and abroad. However, it's (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Your certainty confounds me AGAIN! There was no trial. There is no evidence. Sure, there are allegations. All I do know is that two persons alleged to be Saddam's children and likewise alleged to be criminals against humanity were killed. I (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) It matters a great deal to the Iraqi people. "Death of the kids"? Or how about "death of the murderous, sadistic thugs"? Look how pathetically partisan you've become-- criticizing the deaths of 2 pieces of human excrement. Sad, really. I (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) And how many people seriously thoguht that the death of the kids was going to help? Not to sound pithy or anything much like that, but it's only the idiots and morons that don't learn from history--violence begets violence. And this is the (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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| | Shrub wants control of media!
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White House Threatens Veto on Media-Ownership Cap (URL) WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The Bush administration said on Tuesday it would veto a large government-spending bill if it reimposed media-ownership caps that were recently relaxed by the Federal (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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(...) ...or not: U.S. Soldiers Killed After Saddam's Sons Die (URL) BAGHDAD (Reuters) - Two American soldiers were killed in ambushes in Iraq Wednesday, dashing any U.S. hopes that the killing of Saddam Hussein's sons, Uday and Qusay, would snuff (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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I'm uncomfortable with the idea of assassination as a worthy military or national goal, and I much would have preferred capture and trial. If killing them was the only way, then fine. But if there were options that were not pursued, then no. The (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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Although I don't revel in bloodshed, this should be great news to the entire world community. (URL) with evidence that these two were largely behind the guerrilla attacks on the coalition in Iraq hopeful the region will begin to calm down a bit. (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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That was a fantastic read! I'll have to back there later and read some more stuff. I wonder though, if the government actually decided to do something like that, what reason would it have for NOT forcing the "new" militia into military service at a (...) (21 years ago, 23-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Re: Oct. Report Said Defeated Hussein Would Be Threat
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(...) NPR had a report on that very issue way back November or so, but the Liberal Media Conspiracy kept it out of the headlines since then... Pardon my cynicism, but here's how I think it'll happen, if it happens: If a chem/bio attack occurs, (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | Oct. Report Said Defeated Hussein Would Be Threat
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Oct. Report Said Defeated Hussein Would Be Threat (URL) Last fall, the administration repeatedly warned in public of the danger that an unprovoked Iraqi President Saddam Hussein might give chemical or biological weapons to terrorists. "Iraq could (...) (21 years ago, 22-Jul-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate, FTX)
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