 | | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Note - the word "hit" needs to be qualified here. Errant missiles have not made it to their targets, but they basically crash-landed. Tomahawks are not fully armed until just before reaching their targets, so errant missiles may cause small (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | It has been done before! :-O
|
|
Yes, that's right! The war now raging in Iraq has a precedent... and noone talks about it! Otherwise, what exactly happened in Vietnam/Cambodja in 1979? Wasn't Cambodja "liberated" from the rule of a madman by Vietnam? And, irony of ironies, wasn't (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) It is broken--that much you convinced me (though it didn't take too long a trip for me to see that...) But, again, just brainstorming here... Price per citizen, or any other scale of paying, tends to favour capitalist societies ("western"), (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Pigs... was Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Two words, baby: Roger Waters. Three more words: Dogs of War (ugh!) David Gilmour is a swell guitarist, but as a lyricist (which is actually more my interest) he doesn't seem to convey the same oomph as Roger (though he can definitely run off (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Marillion.com, was Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Arlo Guthrie? Steve Martin doing "Ramblin' Man"? Anything from "Dr Demento"? Supertramp (as I may have mentioned), Elton John, Journey, Michael W. Smith, Allison Kraus, Over the Rhine, and yes, I liked 'Genie in a bottle' by whazzername, (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Everyone pays whatever they want and then votes in direct proportion to how much they paid in order to decide what to do. So to implement the onion-vision all the US has to do is pay 51% (and that will work as long as the whole rest of the (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Pigs... was Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Floyd-- wow. Why is "Animals" such an appreciated Floyd album and "Momentary Lapse" is not... That one makes me wonder.... Dave K (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Marillion.com, was Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) You described my tastes (well they';re actually a bit broader than that) so yes. Marillion is good stuff. I had a chance to see them live at The Chance in Poughkeepsie NY in the mid 80s... amazing show (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Is this 'payment' to a "revamped" UN dependant on number of citizens in the country? GNP? Or just a flat rate? What payment scale would you set up to a 'better' United Nations so that all countries would be represented fairly? (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Uh, I thought that was "Pigs, Three Different Ones" from Pink Floyd's animals? Dave! Bibble Babble Burble Brouhaha (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Oh absolutely--if my friend was mean enuf to pick on someone, a la 'bullying', I woudn't hesitate to try and stop that particular fight. That said, usually my 'friend' in this particular instance isn't a huge bully, though sometimes I am (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Marillion.com, was Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) Is it good music? would a guy whose musical tastes include everything from Bach to Beatles, from Chopin to CCR appreciate Marillion? Just wondering. Goggled them and found their site--will do more research tonite. Dave K (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) That's part of the original argument. If we don't get a vote unless we're paid up, we (and other nations as well) will be falling all over ourselves to pay up. ESPECIALLY if we get a 25% or so vote because of it. I think there are a lot of (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) I'm really touched that you said that. It means a lot to this American to hear you say so. And I mostly agree but did want to point out that if your friend was instead of taking on a bully, but were actively bullying an innocent victim, it (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
(...) One of the things I find amazing about .debate in general - that people like Larry and Richard can be at odds about so many things in life, yet both like Marillion (as do I) ;-) -- | Tom Stangl, Sun ONE Internet Technical Support, Sun (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Break Out the Cristal (trickle-down economics explained with champagne!)
|
|
Larry Pieniazek wrote: <big snip>... (...) Uh, Lar, that may not be such a good idea - the US has a long history of failing to pay US dues. If the vote was based on current, true, paid-up dues, there would be many times when the US would have ZERO (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Never assume that any overwhelming trend is due to ignorance. I don't know anyone who believes that Iraq was directly related to 9/11. Connected to terrorism yes, but not to that particular event. (...) Now this is downright herresy, Mike (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Plain, collective dumbness. Pedro Silva (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) And if there was a democrat in the big chair, this wouldn't be happening right now, either, so, no, this war isn't 12 years in the making, it's Dubya's little fiasco that he started when he wanted to be president. If there were a war due to 12 (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) This is an easy one, when an organized military wearing the uniforms, and flags of the country they represent acts based on declared military intentions, that is "engagement". When men dressed as civilians feign surrender before they fire on a (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) If he kept going and took out the greater evil, Arafat the whole peace process would have a new spin on it. Scott (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Old news, but still relevant
|
|
"David Koudys" <dkoudys@redeemer.on.ca> wrote in message > Yea!!! (...) "O Lord. We beseech thee to bless thy Holy Handgrenade, that it may protect the righteous from the sharp pointy toothed beasts of the world. May your divine grace give us the (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Mimicking U.S. foreign policy and strategies I was thinking that perhaps Iraq could invade Israel and "decapitate" the evil regime headed by known terrorist and war criminal Ariel Sharon. It all depends on one's perspective, doesn't it? -- (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Don’t you just hate the pinko US media?
|
|
(...) Yeah, I go to CNN to read the propaganda and see what FOX's competition has to say about things. I go to the BBC for something approximating the truth. The real problem is how most americans just don't do ANY digging for the truth. If it's not (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) I think I read somewhere that the Russians claimed that the U.S. forces were just looking for an excuse as to why their overrated and expensive weapons were failing in their intended use. This excuse could give them good mileage when it comes (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) My Papa was at a 60th wedding anniversary on the weekend.. (60! wow!). It was for friends of the family--for us kids growing up, almost like godparents. Anyway, "Jim", husband of wife, Jean, was in the british forces during WW2 and was also (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) It makes about as much sense as the Palestinians asking that Saddam launch missiles (that he doesn't have) containing chemical weapons (that he doesn't have) at Israel, I guess... (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) Didn't some of those missiles (GPS guided) go awry while GPS jammers (sold and serviced by Russian companies, as it turns out... probably because they underbid the French) were being deployed? You can't fault the missiles directly for that. (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Old news, but still relevant
|
|
(...) (URL) there was much rejoicing! Dave K - (URL) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Old news, but still relevant
|
|
(URL) Dave! Proud LUGNET member since yesterday! (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Stating the obvious [or "HOME OF THE FREE: ARNETT JOINS MIRROR"]
|
|
(...) <snip> (...) <snip> (...) Yup. April 1st, is strange times indeed. I might be wrong, this has an impressive scope for an April Fool's joke, but anything I see this morning gets a couple extra runs through the skeptisism filter. "I've always (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) I think my favourite thus far is that "He will use the WoMD that don't exist when the forces close in on him." How does that sentence make sense at all? Dave K (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) But they missed the intended country *very* precisely. Actually, I thought I heard that (at least some of) the missiles that hit Iran had been identified as Iraqi in origin. Can anyone verify this? Granted, even if true, the Iraqis only fired (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: Newspeak 2003
|
|
(...) No way! Are you saying that the word "terrorism" is misused to discredit the enemy? I am shocked! Another interesting term is "precision bombing". The US government has officially apologized to the Iranian government for US missiles hitting (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: My over-simplification of the anti-war movement
|
|
(...) Hi Maggie..:-) Things are not pretty here. Although the "no to US troops" decision is mainly based on the usual misorganization of our government, it quite represents the public opinion about the whole mess. This opinion of course, has both (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
|
|
(...) Yes, now that I was reminded that this debate was discussed earlier, and that there will probably be no 'official' consensus as to what Truman knew, we can only go by official accounts--Truman didn't know exactly what the emporer said or (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
|
|
(...) They didn't accept the call for unconditional surrender, war was continuing. I'm not sure why you aren't getting it, and I'm kinda tired of having to repeat it. (...) Go back to what Dave wrote: "recent evidence suggests that the Emperor was (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: ...so much for winning hearts and minds. [was Re: Outrageous ...]
|
|
In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Scott Arthur writes: <snip> can't comment on 'friendly fire'--Americans killed Canadians in same fashion in war games earlier... but this one-- (...) Was watching CNN all last night and this was the topic of concern-- (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Re: My Concession (for John mostly)
|
|
(...) I agree, but I doubt he'll find the time to justify his argument. Scott A (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
| |
| | Stating the obvious [or "HOME OF THE FREE: ARNETT JOINS MIRROR"]
|
|
Poor Mr Arnett; sacked for sating the obvious one day: Veteran reporter sacked over TV claims (URL) national TV network, NBC, fired Arnett after he granted an impromptu interview to Iraq's state-run television, during which he echoed widespread (...) (22 years ago, 1-Apr-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
|
