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(...) The last round of inspections were not without their "problems". Despite that, the achievements are still remarkable. Some highlights: 1. Removal of significant amounts of weapons usable nuclear material. 2. Accounted for 817 of 819 missiles (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Welcome to the moral high group; it's more crowded than you think. ;) Scott A (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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More misdirection. Herewith is a link to 1441 (one of many out there) full text. Go read it. (URL) resolution REQUESTS assistance from member states in providing info on Iraq's non compliance. It makes no statement about what happens if they decline (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Since rants often go on tangential tirades, well, sorry 'bout that. But I wouldn't call it 'misdirection', I'd call it 'selective reading' on the part of the US. (...) And now that Powell has conclusively proven that the US is in breach of (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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I snipped a BUSHEL of irrelevant misdirection. This is a question about 1441, not the US second amendment or anything else (...) OK, then, David. Stripped of all the other non topical stuff in your post, you concede that Iraq is in material breach (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Seriously, are you really that obtuse? Do you really think the US *wants* war??? We want 1) prove that Iraq has been disarmed of WOMD, and 2) Saddam deposed. That's *all*. Unfortunately, it will probably take war to accomplish that. (...) (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) The credibility of the UN is being destroyed by the rhetoric from Bush/Blair. (...) I agree. I'd have given more credence to Powell's little performance if Jr had not been itching bomb Iraq for most of his “presidency”. Did Powell show the (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As your own country's history shows, anti-Semitism, ethnic cleansing, genocide and racial/ethnic/religious intolerance is not a uniquely European experience. Zionism was an established philosophy well before WW2 and some form of Jewish (...) (22 years ago, 3-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think whatever point you may have had in mind was lost in your wording. If you wish to speak of people in the US dieing because of a 200+ year old internal document, you have left the arena of international law and diplomacy. Be that as it (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes: <snip> (...) My point, parenthetical to be sure, is that "Oh we'll uphold a document written a long time ago--every jot and tittle--but a UN sanction (the US being one of the founding members of (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think Bush will be quite happy to see Saddam ousted from within. He also may be amenable to seeing him accept voluntary exile. But Bush has decided for whatever reason that he wants Saddam gone, and has no problem with the war route (ah, for (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Larry Pieniazek writes: <snip> (...) Well, I'm not sure of the exact section (think 10) of 1441 paraphrased -- any country with info of WoMD must turn over that info to the inspectors for confirmation... I'd say that's (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, sorry, don't buy it. We do not have an obligation to turn over intelligence to the UN if that intelligence is going to be immediately leaked to the Iraqis and if, further, doing so is going to compromise the sources (remember what that (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My point was, as some folks pointed out in rebuttal to Powell's presentation, is that the US should turn over info to the inspectors. Yes the Iraqis should do more to accomodate the inspection process, but just by showing us that the US had (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Like I said, it's leaked. The US decided to present it anyway. From commentary on today's presentation by Powell: (URL) ... it's true that there was no single moment like that (Adlai Stevenson smoking gun): rather, there were several of them. (...) (22 years ago, 6-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course it is, but it is pure luck on their part that they are placed there. Assuming that this where their wealth derives it has not come from their ingenuity or their political system. (...) I tend to think there is a link but that you (...) (22 years ago, 4-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My guess is: 1) Zoning. Most major stores are zoned such that they can only be put up in a particular area. Hence you know that often such stores will at least appear in the same vicinity. 2) Competition. Most likely there are a good mix of (...) (22 years ago, 4-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree. But I'm not one bit surprised. ;( BTW: Who is the bigger worry: the buyers or the sellers? I expect at least some of the parts for sale will be “Ford” rather than “NASA” ;) (...) Indeed. In a way this is different to those who were (...) (22 years ago, 4-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) While i'm probably not anymore skilled than you, I'd gather a guess that confidence is a huge motivator in such decisions. If one can supply the same product more cheaply; chances are, a few years down the road; only one will remain. (22 years ago, 4-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) There are two other indicators that can be of help here: the "age pyramid" (dividing the population in classes of 5 years), and the "Active-to-passive" ratio. This last one takes into account the contribute of the immigrants to the society, (...) (22 years ago, 3-Feb-03, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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