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(...) There are two belligerents in this conflict – you fail to acknowledge that. (...) Shocking is it not? Perhaps we should all just get our news from the Israeli government and its apologists? (...) independent ; “not influenced or controlled in (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is a very thinly qualified attack against myself, and obviously more pointedly against Scott. And I DO take offense that you equate any questioning of your unbelievably myopic viewpoints as being the equivalent of siding with terrorists (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Either side, or just one? betrays a leaning for one side or the (...) That's news to me. The US media isn't "pro-Israel", that's for sure. (...) 1. Scott (and you, I'd imagine) sympathize with the Palestinians. 2. The Palestinians are (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I am sure Scott can speak for himself, but I can't see why questioning the political motives of either side betrays a leaning for one side or the other. Further, I imagine that Scott is working against the perception that news information in (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Is that your "informed" impartial opinion? It doesn't bother me that Liberals have certain ideas and opinions-- that's their right. It's when they try and pass them off as impartial and unbiased that sends me. You claim to not have taken sides (...) (22 years ago, 29-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Even if Arafat had accepted Barak's offer, do you really think the Israeli public would have? Remember, he still had to put it to a referendum. Barak was basically gambling. Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) When have I said that "PLO terrorism" is justified? John, it is time for you to put-up or shut-up! Scott A (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Comparing the Palestinian "system" with ours is a stretch, and you'd be surprised how many Americans *support* Bush on certain policies (such as terrorism), but putting that aside for the moment... I thought his point was that not all (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If only the Palestinians lived in a Democracy and could get rid of him. I think perhaps this is the problem. As I understand it most, if not all, Arab nations are not Democracies. The people in those states know only what their leaders tell (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the point Scott is trying to make is that not *all Palestinians* support the PLO, just as not all Americans support Dubya. Therefore, saying that you are against Palestinians (implying *all*) because they support the PLO is not a (...) (22 years ago, 27-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <typing slowly so you will finally get it> The Palestinians *support* the PLO and all of their terrorist activity. The PLO murders *on behalf* of the Palestinians, *with their blessing*. *That* is why I am against them. Let them renounce the (...) (22 years ago, 26-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So, if it is only the PLO terrorists who are uncivilised troublemakers, why are you anti-Palestinian? (...) Let’s just question this. Why did Meir (and her cabinet) turn down a cease-fire offer from Nasser (made via the USA?) on 7th Feb 1970? (...) (22 years ago, 26-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Great! When will he go on trial? When will his victims be compensated? Given Israel’s strong record in tracking down war criminals from WW2, it would be hypocracy if he was not put on trial would it not? (...) Indeed it was. But Sabra and (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is false, can you justify it? Let's just look at one front. The claimed issue for engaging Syria was that Israeli farmers were being harassed by the Syrians - they (the farmers) made a presentation to the Israeli cabinet which (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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*sigh* Scott A =+= Have you inspected Arthur’s Seat yet? (URL) reasonable man adapts himself to suit his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I have to question your evidence of such desire on the part of the people. Here in the Bay Area of California I often express myself as I see fit, I feel free and safe to do so. When I lived in a suburbs of Chicago I felt less free to discuss (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Who can say why the offer was rejected? Arafat is a Grade A loser and the Palestinians should get rid of him. At the same time, I saw it as an act of bad faith on the part of the Israelis to vote Sharon into office considering the sort of (...) (22 years ago, 25-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Barak offer Arafat in one of the "agreements" a palestinian state in the west bank and gaza, including a capital in east Jerusalem? and was turned down, because Arafat wanted more? (...) well, I can see why (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Doing the only thing they can? Strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up women, kids, houses and villages? Only thing they can?? I don't care what the world could throw at me, there will *never* come a time when I would feel justified to (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This makes it seem that you don't understand how we "fight terrorism" on stage and toss terrorists scraps under the table. Do you really believe all that one-sided Amerika is the land of goodness tripe? We are a political entity and we do evil (...) (22 years ago, 24-Apr-02, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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