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(...) Whichever, the argument against detention remains the same I think. The sustainable development question of population carrying capacity/infrastruct...mmigration levels is separate, but certainly related. (...) Here's another perspective, from (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This isn't a straw man--reading the context and understanding the implications of the charges made, he's faulting Pedro for not invalidating Muslim Spain's relatively peaceful and prosperous existence during even the late stages of the (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I (...) I think we're getting confused between asylum seekers, and refugees here. See below. (...) I don't have anything to back this up except some snippets I've read in newspapers (and we all know how reliable they are), but I think most of (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm sure the building industry would be delighted to find room and resources to accomodate new Australians. As for the cost, how about a $14000 new home buyers grant? Seriously, the government is spending a massive amount of money on refugee (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) WHERE in the general community? Tents? Caravans? Maybe some can afford houses, but the houses still have to be found. There are currently many thousands in detention centres in Australia, and I dare say many thousands in other places waiting (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <snippage> (...) Lindsay, Since you are knocking down a straw man of your own creation, it's no wonder that you come out best in this exchange. Victor made NO value judgment on the vices or virtues of any of the combatants on the Iberian (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.loc.pt, Victor Knight writes: (snipped) (...) What?...As if the Christians at the same time did the same... (...) They were not driven out. Who told you that? Where did you get that idea? You can't just "expell" millions of people... They (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ? Who's sorrowful? Good or bad, it happened; it is the past, and one which I'm proud of. BOTH sides of it. And something I'd like to point out: the Arabs were not "tossed out", as they did not "toss out" the Christians who lived here before (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Chris: With all due respect, I take personal moral umbrage with this statement. You and I have already well-established that our world-views diverge just about as much as any two humans' world-views can, but, I think that this idea is still (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By "a group that invaded and then was tossed out," I presume you're referring to the Muslims and not the Visigoths? I was trying, in my response, to point out through tit-for-tat that you've made a ridiculous generalization--as though the Arab (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <junk snipped> You can feel sorry for a group that invaded and then was tossed out if you want, but try not to be so biased and sorrowful in your description. (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I understand the situation, Australian search and rescue informed nearby ships (including the Tampa, a Norwegian cargo freighter) that an Indonesian vessel was in distress. The Tampa picked up the refugees from their sinking boat in the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, why not a new newsgroup, lugnet.off-topic.sar...drip.drip? ;) I still disagree, by the way, that people in third world countries are any more responsible for their personal lot than we're each responsible for the prosperity brought by (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And where do they get housed while they're waiting for a house to become available / be built. Remember we're not talking 438 anymore, but maybe millions. And Australias problem isn't limited to 438 either - they've been coming here illegally (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I knew about the Medieval Inquisition (IIRC, that's the term used)-- but its specifically Spanish incarnation is what I'm talking about when referencing 1478. Or have I missed something else entirely? Ecumenical history is always so fraught (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually and technically, the Inquisition properly so called did not come into existence until 1231, with the constitution Excommunicamus of Pope Gregory IX ‘1478’ was more of an establishment rather that a ‘creation.’ -Richard ‘who had to dig (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not crosspost this to .fun? Pedro (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quite right. It is always nice to listen to the experts, even more when I like the subject (History + Geography). Ever been to Portugal, Lindsay? We also have some examples of Islamic Art, not as imposing as the Alhambra or Medina-al-zahara, (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry for the self-followup, but this was bothering me: (...) c/Sixtus V/Sixtus IV. best LFB (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're trolling, you just caught a live one. <sarcasm> Talk about value-laden throwaway lines! Yes, through rape, the Muslim armies of Tarikh ibn Zayid conquered the mighty and highly moral Visigothic kingdoms in Iberia, which were just (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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