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Re: Views on asylum seekers?
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Tue, 4 Sep 2001 00:31:03 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Christopher L. Weeks writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
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> > > I personally think that citizenship is a scam. I'd welcome those
> > > folks to the US.
> >
> > Where would you house them?
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> I wouldn't. At least not particularly. I suppose it would be reasonable to
> donate to some organization that helped them find work. The housing market
> could supply a place to live.
And where do they get housed while they're waiting for a house to become
available / be built. Remember we're not talking 438 anymore, but maybe
millions. And Australias problem isn't limited to 438 either - they've been
coming here illegally for years. The only difference this time was that the
ship was contacted before entering Australian waters, and asked to stay away.
The captain refused.
> > A detention centre?
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> No. That wouldn't be much of a welcome.
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> > Housing commission?
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> Maybe...but probably not what you mean.
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> > What do you
> > tell American citizens who now have to pay for large numbers of detention
> > centres?
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> I'd advertise the address to which they had the option of sending donations of
> cash and I'd set up a collection service for blankets and clothing and stuff.
Again, how effective do you think that would be with large numbers of people?
> > Or citizens who've been waiting years for a housing commision house?
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> Everyone should be treated the same.
That's just the problem. These people are forcing our government to treat them
differently than the people who've gone through legal channels.
> > What if they aren't genuine refugees, just well cashed-up hangers-on?
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> What do I care? I'm offering a place to everyone.
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> > What do
> > you tell the genuine refugees who've had their places taken by others just
> > because they had more cash?
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> What places? I wouldn't set up a system in which 'places' were buyable.
I'm not saying anything about "buyable". Part of the job of government in
processing the applicants is to ensure there is sufficient accomodation. If
accomodation has been found for a refugee still not in Australia, then suddenly
a ship-load of others turn up un-announced, something has to give. We can only
build and operate so many detention centres, so that accomodation suddenly
disappears, and the refugee who's applied legally has to wait even longer. I
don't think this is fair.
> > I'm happy to accept genuine refugees, and if they make their application • before
> > entering the country, even though they may have to wait a while, it allows • the
> > government to plan the extra accomodation needed. People who jump the queue • in
> > my book deserve no sympathy, refugee or not.
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> What if they're starving or something? Don't some people have a valid reason
> to jump queue or otherwise expedite the process?
I find it hard to believe they'd be starving if they've just paid several
thousand dollars for a place on one of these boats.
ROSCO
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| (...) As I understand the situation, Australian search and rescue informed nearby ships (including the Tampa, a Norwegian cargo freighter) that an Indonesian vessel was in distress. The Tampa picked up the refugees from their sinking boat in the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) First of all, there are tons of houses in the US that are going unused because they don't meet the stringent safety laws that we take for granted. But they are a 100% improvement over what these immigrants may be used to...and not really (...) (23 years ago, 5-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I wouldn't. At least not particularly. I suppose it would be reasonable to donate to some organization that helped them find work. The housing market could supply a place to live. (...) No. That wouldn't be much of a welcome. (...) Maybe...but (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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