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Re: Views on asylum seekers?
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Mon, 3 Sep 2001 14:41:33 GMT
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Christopher Weeks wrote:
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> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Ross Crawford writes:
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> > > I personally think that citizenship is a scam. I'd welcome those
> > > folks to the US.
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> > Where would you house them?
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> I wouldn't. At least not particularly. I suppose it would be reasonable to
> donate to some organization that helped them find work. The housing market
> could supply a place to live.
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> > A detention centre?
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> No. That wouldn't be much of a welcome.
Of course if tbey come in and don't respect property rights, they will
find themselves detained, and possibly sent back where they came from.
> > Housing commission?
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> Maybe...but probably not what you mean.
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> > What do you
> > tell American citizens who now have to pay for large numbers of detention
> > centres?
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> I'd advertise the address to which they had the option of sending donations of
> cash and I'd set up a collection service for blankets and clothing and stuff.
And we have demonstrated that such collections are pretty effective,
even as people complain about being taxed to death to support the
welfare state.
> > Or citizens who've been waiting years for a housing commision house?
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> Everyone should be treated the same.
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> > What if they aren't genuine refugees, just well cashed-up hangers-on?
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> What do I care? I'm offering a place to everyone.
In fact, on one hand, the "refugee" with more wealth is more desirable.
They will need less charity to re-establish themselves. They probably
have better skills for making a contribution to society instead of being
a drain.
That doesn't mean I don't want to see those with less wealth not helped.
> > What do
> > you tell the genuine refugees who've had their places taken by others just
> > because they had more cash?
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> What places? I wouldn't set up a system in which 'places' were buyable.
In fact, with open immigration policies, there would be little need to
"buy a place". Ok, they may need to pay a smuggler to get them OUT of
the country they're fleeing, but they won't need a smuggler to get them
IN to they country they are trying to reach. They will also need to pay
someone to get them from here to there, but without the need to smuggle,
that cost would just be a few hundred dollars, not thousands.
> > I'm happy to accept genuine refugees, and if they make their application • before
> > entering the country, even though they may have to wait a while, it allows the
> > government to plan the extra accomodation needed. People who jump the queue in
> > my book deserve no sympathy, refugee or not.
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> What if they're starving or something? Don't some people have a valid reason
> to jump queue or otherwise expedite the process?
To me, the term "refugee" applies to someone worthy of jumping the queue
because of dire straights. If you have time to "apply" for entry, then
you're a normal immigrant. Of course, like Chris, I see no reason to
have to apply for entry.
I was just thinking (ooh, dangerous) a bit... A while ago I proposed
that the conditions in the "third world" are partially the fault of the
populations of those countries. I'd like to revise that thought a bit
and point out that if we did have open immigration, many more of those
petty dictatorships would collapse. Why? Because the populace would have
more opportunity to vote with their feet.
Frank
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| In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: [big snip, I agree] (...) Agreed. Further, what would happen if by offering a place to the people of Banana Republic X, we got more than half of them to want to come to the US? Could we charge them the (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) I wouldn't. At least not particularly. I suppose it would be reasonable to donate to some organization that helped them find work. The housing market could supply a place to live. (...) No. That wouldn't be much of a welcome. (...) Maybe...but (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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