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(...) <snippage> (...) Lindsay, Since you are knocking down a straw man of your own creation, it's no wonder that you come out best in this exchange. Victor made NO value judgment on the vices or virtues of any of the combatants on the Iberian (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.loc.pt, Victor Knight writes: (snipped) (...) What?...As if the Christians at the same time did the same... (...) They were not driven out. Who told you that? Where did you get that idea? You can't just "expell" millions of people... They (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) ? Who's sorrowful? Good or bad, it happened; it is the past, and one which I'm proud of. BOTH sides of it. And something I'd like to point out: the Arabs were not "tossed out", as they did not "toss out" the Christians who lived here before (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Chris: With all due respect, I take personal moral umbrage with this statement. You and I have already well-established that our world-views diverge just about as much as any two humans' world-views can, but, I think that this idea is still (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) By "a group that invaded and then was tossed out," I presume you're referring to the Muslims and not the Visigoths? I was trying, in my response, to point out through tit-for-tat that you've made a ridiculous generalization--as though the Arab (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) <junk snipped> You can feel sorry for a group that invaded and then was tossed out if you want, but try not to be so biased and sorrowful in your description. (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) As I understand the situation, Australian search and rescue informed nearby ships (including the Tampa, a Norwegian cargo freighter) that an Indonesian vessel was in distress. The Tampa picked up the refugees from their sinking boat in the (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Heck, why not a new newsgroup, lugnet.off-topic.sar...drip.drip? ;) I still disagree, by the way, that people in third world countries are any more responsible for their personal lot than we're each responsible for the prosperity brought by (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And where do they get housed while they're waiting for a house to become available / be built. Remember we're not talking 438 anymore, but maybe millions. And Australias problem isn't limited to 438 either - they've been coming here illegally (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I knew about the Medieval Inquisition (IIRC, that's the term used)-- but its specifically Spanish incarnation is what I'm talking about when referencing 1478. Or have I missed something else entirely? Ecumenical history is always so fraught (...) (23 years ago, 4-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Actually and technically, the Inquisition properly so called did not come into existence until 1231, with the constitution Excommunicamus of Pope Gregory IX ‘1478’ was more of an establishment rather that a ‘creation.’ -Richard ‘who had to dig (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Why not crosspost this to .fun? Pedro (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Quite right. It is always nice to listen to the experts, even more when I like the subject (History + Geography). Ever been to Portugal, Lindsay? We also have some examples of Islamic Art, not as imposing as the Alhambra or Medina-al-zahara, (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Sorry for the self-followup, but this was bothering me: (...) c/Sixtus V/Sixtus IV. best LFB (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) If you're trolling, you just caught a live one. <sarcasm> Talk about value-laden throwaway lines! Yes, through rape, the Muslim armies of Tarikh ibn Zayid conquered the mighty and highly moral Visigothic kingdoms in Iberia, which were just (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Frank Filz writes: [big snip, I agree] (...) Agreed. Further, what would happen if by offering a place to the people of Banana Republic X, we got more than half of them to want to come to the US? Could we charge them the (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Of course if tbey come in and don't respect property rights, they will find themselves detained, and possibly sent back where they came from. (...) And we have demonstrated that such collections are pretty effective, even as people complain (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Indeed. He does not have enough food to feed his kids, and your big worry is how to get to the mall to meet you friends. (...) ... and how does the extra-judicial executions help? How did moving tanks into Beit Jala help? Perhaps the best way (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I assume, after reading you text below, this is a rhetorical question? (...) I try my best Chris. (...) Because is is a argumant which has no logic. (...) By helping force them to leave? (...) I am not "slamming" (or at least I do not mean to) (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Lets put an end to that "rumour": (URL) Minister for Immigration and Multicultural Affairs sought revisions of international refugee standards to deter irregular movements of asylum-seekers. More than 2,940 ''boat people'', including 500 (...) (23 years ago, 3-Sep-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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