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(...) If a non-US citizen is allowed a word in this matter, I'd point out the fact that the United States seem to be the only "stable democracy" to have such a liberal system for gun-control. It is scary that the 3 nations, currently not at war, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) *Reasonable* belief is what the text refers to. I can't make a better case for there needing to be a required course and test on firearm safety and law than the various responses I'm getting. :-) Bruce (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Awww, but it does say that you "believe" they are going to cause you harm. If someone breaks into my house, I'm going to "believe" that they could be there to cause harm to my family or myself. I will not first ask them their intentions, when (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (clipping lengthy legal text - see previous message if you need to) No, you needn't say more: it's reassuring that I got it right. You can't shoot someone for stealing a crust of bread. There has to be the reasonable belief that the person is (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Here’s where I got this: (URL) I say more? 18-1-704 - Use of physical force in defense of a person. (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3) of this section, a person is justified in using physical force upon another person in order (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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My screen shows eleven contiguous posts from Scott Arthur! Is this a record? Has anyone read all of them? Should he get out more? Should I have posted this to off-topic geek? What will Scott's reply be? :-) Steve (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No, you asked why I said it "WOULD be great" so I'm posing the reverse. Obviously defense is a "great" reason for having a rifle or shotgun in the home, hence it would be "great" if all Americans had them as the last measure in protecting (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) good to know of an electronic source. Bastiat is cited by a lot of other freedom thinkers. One issue that some will have is that his derivation of *why* people have the rights they do is pretty weak. I know it always comes up here if you just (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Bruce: You're right, I should have qualified my hypotheticals better, but I DO think that Duane is right when it comes to shooting the "other" person dead -- one story, my story, means I go free. Nobody will ever hear the dead person's narrative of (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) "The Law" by Frederick Bastiat also covers some of this. For the full text of this AMAZINGLY concise and excellent work, see: (URL) I am sorry to go all "Scott Arthur" on y'all, but some of you really should read some of the primary texts (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) should (...) order (...) The reason that I think it makes sense is that if it took 75% of the people to agree, most of them wouldn't be voted back in place. We would have the obvious victimizations illegal and some meta-organizational issues (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) That argument won't stand up in court. Well, maybe it will in Texas... (...) Ahhh, the Death Penalty for power tools! Forgive me if I was not paying attention: is that more defensible than the Death Penalty for a crust of bread? (...) Hey, no (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) OK, you are right with regard to the fireman situation. I should have qualified the unidentified person better. In general, if a stranger is in my home uninvited I'll be going after them with everything that I have until they are either (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) In the "leave" sense not the "bolt action rifle" sense. If we get an actual majority to vote themselves bread and circuses in a fair and honest way, they are welcome to their little experiment, I'll vote with my feet. But what we have now, (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Generally, no, you are wrong. You have to establish reasonable belief that your life was in danger. Example, I'm standing there admiring your Lego with you, when you spot a 10 year old ripping off one of your sets (Black Seas Schooner, dang, a (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Holy typos Batman! There are more typos on that site than I like to see. Overall though it has a lot of information. Unfortunately, it doesn't really answer my questions. Could you take another shot at providing me with answers? (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No handguns. Shotguns for farmers, farm workers etc. Scott A (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) So who told you your version of the Truth? Scott A (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I prefer niether. I mentioned that is was a child as is shows just how brutal the murder was. However, as it turned out the murders sprayed a car with bullets - so I doubt they intended to kill a baby deliberatley. I hope they are caught. I (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) No. Does the film say that? (...) So that is all a gun is : a luxury. I prefer a good bottle of wine any day. Or maybe new brakes for my bike (if any one is interested : I have ceramic 517's with Avid AR 4.0, but I do fancy some disks). Scott (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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