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Re: National vote on handguns?
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lugnet.off-topic.debate
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Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:44:43 GMT
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In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
> In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Duane Hess writes:
> > In lugnet.off-topic.debate, Bruce Schlickbernd writes:
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> > > Oh dang - it was a fireman responding to a call and now you are up for
> > > manslaughter! Sorry, you don't get to shoot people just because they are in
> > > your home.
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> > Not sure where you're coming from, but where I'm at it's legal to shoot
> > first and ask questions later when an unidentified person is in your home.
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> Generally, no, you are wrong. You have to establish reasonable belief that
> your life was in danger. Example, I'm standing there admiring your Lego
> with you, when you spot a 10 year old ripping off one of your sets (Black
> Seas Schooner, dang, a good reason to shoot!) and start blasting away. You
> didn't have probable cause to shoot. And in the case of the fireman, you
> wouldn't have much of a leg to stand on regardless of no witnesses.
OK, you are right with regard to the fireman situation. I should have
qualified the unidentified person better. In general, if a stranger is in my
home uninvited I'll be going after them with everything that I have until
they are either subdued, incapacitated or dead (or I am one of the latter
two). I'm automatically assuming that I am in danger because the sactity and
safety of my home has already been violated, so who's to say the intruder
cares about my personal safety? And that stands regardless of age.
> You answer is a good example of why I think people who want firearms should
> be required to take a course and pass a test (not just about the safe
> handling of weapons, but also the legal ramifications of using them).
To put your mind at ease, I do not own a firearm in the technical sense. The
closest thing I have is a paintball gun. (By the time I located all of the
necessary parts to fire it, plus some good paintballs I'm sure the whole
event would be over.) But you can be sure that I won't be an easy target.
I've already made that mistake once and it cost me some very nice power tools...
> All bets are off in Texas, of course, where you used to get to shoot your
> wife if you caught her in comprimising circumstances.
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> > Granted, there have been a couple of unfortunate "mistakes" where a family
> > member has been taken out by another person living in the residence. Or the
> > cops having the wrong address on their search warrant. In general, I'm glad
> > to have that law in place. I would like to have the opportunity waste the
> > scumbag who has the balls to sneak into my residence and take property (or
> > worse) which I spent my hard-earned money on. The only thing you have to be
> > sure of is finishing the job, otherwise you could find yourself in a big
> > lawsuit and paying money to the bonehead who was robbing you in the first >>place.
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> Ahhhh, the Death Penalty for stealing a crust of bread. Judge Dredd in
> action, "I yam the law!"
> :-)
What's mine is mine. The only people entitled to what I have are the people
who I am legally obligated to share with, or who I deem worthy.
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> Bruce
-Duane
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| (...) That argument won't stand up in court. Well, maybe it will in Texas... (...) Ahhh, the Death Penalty for power tools! Forgive me if I was not paying attention: is that more defensible than the Death Penalty for a crust of bread? (...) Hey, no (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) Generally, no, you are wrong. You have to establish reasonable belief that your life was in danger. Example, I'm standing there admiring your Lego with you, when you spot a 10 year old ripping off one of your sets (Black Seas Schooner, dang, a (...) (25 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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