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Re: Feedback thoughts?
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Mon, 16 Dec 2002 22:58:00 GMT
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Thanks for bringing this issue up. I wanted to say something about this a
thousand times ago. I guess my reasons are a little selfish although
honestly I wish it was a little better. First off let me say this, I
appreciate the feedback I get. It really matters to me. I work very hard to
bring MOCs to this forum and into my own life. I will and always have built
for myself. Having a place to bring them too is all the better. Not the most
important, but a great thing none the less.
I know the feeling. I have several instances where I post and get just a few
cherished repiles. I think I got 4 replies on my Zolqwith and yet the BS
Gallery folder has over 2 thousand hits. Boy what a bunch of Lurkers!
Plus, I have slaved over the Jamocklaquat and I got modest responses but the
folder is nearly at 7 Grand. Think of it this way, it's like going into a
shop just to look. I think it's a little like taking for granted the energy
and effort when you just look and say nothing. To each his/her own I suppose.
People make up the content onthe web for you to enjoy. Want to see more?
Contibute to the positive process. Give feedback.
I don't know, I'm sure there are many reasons. Some people just look, some
poeple find it and others don't. I will make the Robot despite the highs and
lows.
I try like heck to post to other genres besides my own. I often work for
weeks at a time on a MOC then during the down time, just hang on Lugnet and
reply to stuff. If I'm not building I reply to other folks posts.
Also when I see a person that posted and no one has said anything, I make a
point to reply so that person feels good and not ignored. I have done this
countless times.
Then I think that there are folks that enjoy being an encyclopedia rather
than being down to earth. Some of you out there rather spout off some
obscure peice of knowledge than to show recognition. I hate that. Then some
of you have been here since before I was and I have yet to see you chime in
on anything I have done. Have you missed me that often? Whatever, this is
another source of frustration in this community. Never post just reply syndrome.
One thing that really does bug me, is that if I (or anyone) replies to your
post and says "Wow that's great!" You oughta respond and say thank you.
Look this is serious, think of it as when you are out in the real world as a
person face to face. If I walk up to you and say: "Hey I like that, you did
a good job, very nice" You oughta respond as a courteous person and say "
Thanks"
Any excuse doesn't cut it. Don't have time, too many people etc....
There are some people that I have seen Post MOC's and they don't even
respond with a gracious "Thanks" To those people, I don't bother with those
people anymore. It's rude and I won't participate in their poor form. No
matter how great their MOC is. Sure post and never say thanks. Ya sure,
that's just great.
I have leared to be polite and courteous in my time. I know that with this
compartmentalized system it is hard to respond to everything, because that's
all you would have time for if that was the case.
Look, I'm on a rant and I'm sorry. Really this has been a source of
frustration for me. I came here to meet others and for the ones I have
developed a relationship with I am grateful. I'm still trying to reach out!
Hellloooooooo?!!!!???
I think an edicate recap is in order.
1. Come to Lugnet, check out the newsgroups you are interested in.
2. Reply to the efforts of others in your interested genres.
3. Give feed back on commuity efforts and the like.
4. Move beyond your genre and look for work other than you are into.
5. respond to MOCs from other genres to support Lugnet as a whole.
6. Don't participate in .off-topic debate.
Shame on you who hang in off-topic debate when folks have honestly made
MOC's and are looking for feedback. Shame Shame Shame.
Besides, dosn't Lego mean "to play well" ??? What's there to debate about!
We have Peeron and the Lugnet set database, what else is there to yammer about?!
7. read the newsgroup page to see all posts to Lugnet, get a feel or pulse
of the community.
8. Be concious about posting some obscure knowledge right after a post where
someone is looking for feedback. Alot of us leave others feeling ignored
when a reply is made to another post right after one is made asking for input.
This is a really bad problem here.
8. Some people post for they're own MOCs and never respond to other peoples.
Some folks "pop" in and out everyonce and a while and only talk about what
they have and never offer any input on others in the community. That is bad.
What if no one replied just as you do? What feedback would you get then if
everyone acted just like you and never responded to anyone and only posted
they're own MOCs? This place would be lame.
Remember it takes a kind soul to give prasie or recongition. Someone gives
from they're hearts, return the favor and don't be so consummed with yourself.
Becuase that's the way it seems when you only post about your stuff and not
talk with others about their efforts. I hate that too.
9. Some folks chime in when their name is mentioned, and others come out of
the wooodwork when a post is made and the encyclopedia syndrome takes effect.
10. Do what you want it is a free country, ignore what I have said or take
into consideration those of your commuity. Contiune to be a good member and
give feedback and support. Being picky and choosy is understandable to a
degree. Some folks only have time for so much, that's a given.
11. Respect the original post content! Don't you hate it when some smarty
chimes in on some side tangent and doesn't give respect to the original post.
Think about it in reallife. Try that at a party or other convo. It's called
nosing in, and it's highly annoying. You know who your are.
On the whole we are to compartmentalized. I suppose its ok, but really,
visit other genres, post feedback to MOCs other than you make yourself.
Grow. Be well rounded. Open up. Forget your peers, never let anyone hold you
back.
One other thing I want to make it clear that IMHO, saying others have said
what you would have said and not posting feedback is BS. Each person has
their own unique view on things and I appreciate each person for who they
are. Give yourself a little credit and know that who you are matters and
your feedback is appreciated. Never let anyoone say something for you. You
matter.
If all of you only give feedback when it suits you, well, I tell ya, how is
anybody supposed to know what people are thinking? This is a virtual place
and it is quiet without your voice. How am I or anyone supposed to know how
you feel or what you think if no one says anything. Oh BS views. It's only
part of the story!
I want to again appologize for my rant.
Another thing I wanted to mention, is that, I make MOC's to inspire me as
well as others. The last thing I want to do is scare anyone off or make them
feel inadequte. (ok my spelling sukz) I have dedicated myself to making the
best Lego creations I can make. Some people are more willing than others to
do this. For those who don't have the time, money or gumtion, use people
like me as source of inspriation, use the techniques! See how Lego can be
used! Don't ever let another person's MOC make you feel like you aren't good
enough.
So all in all, yes I wish feedback was better. When I make a MOC, I know
there are many of you out there. I wonder what you all think. When I come to
town with a post for a MOC, I'm not just thinking about the people that hang
in my genre area, I'm thinking of all those names that I am familir with and
new ones that I would like to meet and hear from!
I look forward to hearing from the regulars in my genre. It's also a joy to
here from folks outside the genre too. That matters.
For those who say, "I'm not into that, or I don't like that genre" Look, we
all use the same parts! The same plates, bricks and slopes are in my MOCs as
are in yours. So if you don't like the overall form, then look at the way
the peices are used. Chances are you can at least relate to that!
Now in calming down I say this.
Thank you for reading, thank you for posting. I made a MOC last night what
do you think? (hahahaa shamless plug)
Mighty Mech
http://www.mylegomaster.com/id260.htm
Take care all and I hope we get into the habbit of giving feedback more
often. That's part of why this place exists! I need the Happiness, it helps!
On that note, my e-mail is changing and I'll be out of the loop for a while!
"Sett'n them up and laying them down" as Mr. Taps used to say.
Thanks again for bringing this issue up, we should try a little to show
support for our club members. There are members in this community that I
would love to hear from. What does one do? "Hey XXXX what do you think of my
MOC?"
Lastly I post MOC to BS so I can see how many people took a look. Then I
upload my web-site. I can't tell how many people see a single page on my
site, and I know I get way more veiws than post replies so that's the logic
to that pattern. Again it's the sadness of the way things go that has led to
this arrangement.
Lastly,lastly, I get more feedback from personnal e-mail than here on
Lugnet, so I'm happy. And for that I am trully grateful. Thanks so much.
e
Legomaster
LMHoF
www.mylegomaster.com
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Message has 8 Replies:
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| (...) What's wrong with sharing information? Personally, I haven't commented on your MOCs because while I do like looking at the occasional mecha, I just don't find them that interesting. (...) There used to be a common internet acronym, TIA. Thanks (...) (22 years ago, 16-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
| | | Mighty Mech: was Re: Feedback thoughts?
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| In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie writes: snip (...) Does the guy allow the cat to pilot the mech so he'll have 9 lives? Seriously, I like the hands; I've always liked 3-fingered hands for mecha. From the thumbnail, tho' I thouhgt the hand(s) had ball (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
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| <snip> (...) <snip> A biiiig post so I'll just comment on this bit. The "saying thanks" bit is a good way for those who don't get much feedback to get more. Think of a real conversation. If I say "Look at this" and you say "That's great" then the (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
| | | Go Out & Vote (Re: Feedback thoughts?)
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| "Eric Sophie" <mylegomaster@cs.com> wrote in message news:H78IGo.4HM@lugnet.com... <major snip'n> (...) <again major snip'n> (...) I do have a suggestion for all those members out there- GO OUT AND VOTE! Check out LUGNET Poll #121 ( (URL) ) and vote (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Feedback thoughts?
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| In lugnet.general, Eric Sophie writes: <snip> (...) No need to appologize. You had a lot to say. I cannot say I agree with everything you said, but I do appreciate your opinions in the matters discussed. For lack of time I will just say a few (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Feedback thoughts?
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| (...) I dunno. I sure hope that people have enough of their own steam to keep doing what they love without demanding positive feedback. But I guess if it's not rewarding enough to put your creations online because you don't get scads of feedback, (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
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| Dinner is almost ready, I just wanted to chime in and say I respect your differences in opinion. Of course my thoughts simply reflect a perfect world that I would like to live in and we all are human. So, with that I will say thank you for posting (...) (22 years ago, 17-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
| | | Re: Feedback thoughts?
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| I just wanted to say thanks eric for replying to a lot of my posts even when they are very mundane and repetitive i.e. (My Favorite Moc's somebody take that down!)-Semaj (22 years ago, 18-Dec-02, to lugnet.general)
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