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(...) These female figs that are overly, say, developed are digusting. I think we can all see that a fig with red lipstick and long hair(although not so now) is a woman. The new Castle sets looked promising, a female knight and all, but the shape of (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) I think they're kinda funny. It's also important to note that these are developed in Europe, where they tend to be less prudish about such things. (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) Interesting...have you always had this problem with the female form? Is there a problem with kids knowing that women are shaped differently from men? (...) Why does a fig need long hair to be a woman? I know plenty of women with short hair. (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) Honestly, these things are just as ridiculous as the drawn-on breasts. (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) Not to mention guys with long hair. (...) Actually, her armor shape was pretty good IMHO. It's much better than the queen's torso in the same set, or the "wenches'" torsos. (that's *not* to say I don't like them, on the contrary; but I don't (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) I can't speak for John but for my part I have NO problem with depicting the female form in a manner that is tasteful and appropriate for the intended audience. In this context I consider the Pirate Wench inappropriate with her plunging (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) That point has not been lost on me. Doesn't make it right though. Will Lego Beach Department of Emergency Services www.crosswinds.net/~hokie (24 years ago, 19-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) It says more about the US attitude than the European - Americans are a bunch of squeamish prudes in general. Why is YOUR attitude "right" and the European attitude "wrong"? And if you think kids WON'T see cleavage in the real world, from a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.general, lugnet.build.minifigs)
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(...) they (...) bunch of (...) European (...) FWIW My attitude is "right" for me and my family. I WISH it was "right" for the rest of the world ('twould make my job as a parent MUCH easier :-) but that's not gonna happen. I'd also like to know what (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree completely. When I was 15 I was visiting Europe with my mother and sister. We were at my uncles house, and they had on TV a show called "Paris in Review" that showed some floorshows (like in Las Vegas) with all the showgirls topless. (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) they (...) bunch of (...) early (...) turn (...) wouldn't (...) the (...) in (...) shelter (...) would be (...) River (...) nudists and (...) are (...) want (...) prudishness (...) crimes. (...) I'd love to see where you got the sex crime (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I agree completely, Gary, and was just thinking this the other day! I've never understood what is "wrong" with normal instances of nudity, such as bathing and dressing. We here in America are behind the times, as most media I've seen out of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Gary, I think it's because America is a cesspool of social degeneration. Doesn't Japan hold the same prudishness? Are they number two in sex crimes? -Adam (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) You have not explained how or why an open expression of sexuality is inherently better than "prudishness;" you've merely said that you agree with Europeans instead of Americans. That's fine, but why? Why should we not err on the side of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) And America is a prudish country how? Granted, one only hears suggestive nuances on network TV, but how many households have cable? How many people have access to pornography? Virtually all of the people that I have known who have had a (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think this is an excellent point, but I think there is a difference between the sexual messages that American kids experience, and the ones that European cultures do. You use the word 'pornography', which I interpret as material that is (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Hmmm...how young are kids that play with Barbies again? (...) Nice job turning the question around, but I don't think that's the right way to ask it. After all, what *is* appropriate about putting a baby doll that wets itself into the hands of (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Based on my experiences: no. Crayon Shinchan - a popular kids' cartoon a few years back, sort of a Japanese 'Dennis the Menace' - had plenty of nudity (male and female - animated, but still) and sex jokes. Wandering the streets of Osaka, I (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I mostly agree with you on this point. Customs regarding modesty can genuinely differ across cultures, and be influenced by climate, history, etc. A topless woman can be attired just as modestly, given the right circumstances, as another woman (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) is used (...) divorce (...) Maybe it isn't... but "moral spheres" are very _personal_ spheres. Your spheres might be differently shaped than mine. It's best if we all keep our spheres to ourselves. ~Mark (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) My replies: First, how can we each keep our moral spheres to ourselves? When you and I interact, or when anyone interacts, for that matter, the interactions are governed by our moral spheres of understanding regarding how the other person (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Order rearranged somewhat: (...) A very good question. It is good to see that those participating in arguments require the arguments of their opponents to be supported. It may very well be that the sexual repression common to the popular culture of (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) our (...) you and I (...) other person (...) Does everyone else and their children deserve to be forced to abide by your particular notion of what is "decent" on a minifig? (...) circle? As differently as there are people and cultures on this (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) This is my 4th post in this thread. I have yet to give my opinion regarding the issue of minifig decency. I have merely been debating the issue of public decency. I defer your question to someone else. I will say that I speak as a consumer (...) (24 years ago, 22-Jun-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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