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| | | (...) im sorry, but a few people have said this before and ive gotta ask: how is lego is anyway nonviolent? every castle set includes weaponry of some sort. it is a given conclusion that each faction is at least sometime in combat with eachother? (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Anthony Sava
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| | | | | (...) lego (...) a (...) military (...) some (...) You must ask yourself, just how many sets have you seen where a minifig was using a weapon on another minifig? I personally cannot recall a single one, though I'm sure there are a few. Yes, the (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | (...) and (...) my point is that inherent violence is still violence, and by building toys with a militaristic focus Lego is giving an implied acceptance to violence. now it is granted that such a view flows from a 'defensive' violence than (...) (23 years ago, 22-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bradley Dale
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| | | | | | (...) Possible Exception: Life on Mars. (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | | | (...) good point.. i think that might be part of why i like LOM so much.. however, in the story version (on lego.com) does have an 'evil' rebel group, which is trying to conquer both mars and earth.. but that story doesn't seem to be definitive to (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Johannes Koehler
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| | | | Hello! (...) LEGO was proud of having never produced sets that glorify war and violence. They never produced (and I guess they won't ever produce) "Kriegsspielzeug" like WWI or WWII tanks, bombers and so on. But of course, swords and spears are (...) (23 years ago, 23-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | (...) im not familiar with the term, kriegsspielzeug (although im gonna take a guess at something like 'modern war').. could you explain it for me? i think im reading too much theoretical discourse on the nature of violence in the modernist vision.. (...) (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | (...) Krieg: war. Spiel: game. Zeug: well, hazy on that one. "Stuff"? Of course, I use the castle and pirates stuff for games.... Bruce (23 years ago, 26-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Jason Reese
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| | | | (...) In case it hasn't been thrown out, how would the Sopwith Camel play into the Lego non-implicit violence scheme? Jason (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Kevin Knoot
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| | | | | (...) Especially since it has a pair of machine guns on it. Give it another 25 years or so to remove the last generations with direct contact to WW2, and I won't be surprised to see a Model Team Tiger tank. As far as "war toys" go, I'm surprised we (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) You could well be right - I think a lot of it is the proximity of the item in question to people who actually suffered from it. The propeller driven biplane isn't viewed as much of a threat anymore. The Spitfire may go the same route (but at (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Kevin Knoot
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| | | | | | | | | (...) Of course! Off by 30 years. You can't have a Constitution before you have a constitution! Kevin (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | | | | (...) Oh, I don't know, ask the boll weevil if it thinks a biplane is a threat, especially when dispensing pesticide...but yeah, the point is valid. ...and the basic format of the tank isn't the format it started with. Look at "Mother" and "Little (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | | In lugnet.castle, Lindsay Frederick Braun writes: (oops, snipped one credit too much, this is me that starts this) (...) I can't fault your statement, but I did say "people". :-) (...) Treads, armored body, with various barrels sticking out was what (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Thomas Main
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| | | | | | | | (...) Or so you and Howard I. Chapelle claim ;) The real question is whether a 398 Constellation, restored by LEGO Direct and offered as kit 10004, sould be named U.S.S. Constellation. -- Thomas Main main@appstate.edu (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.general)
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| | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Eric Kingsley
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| | | | | | (...) Well "wasn't" would mean that the USS Constitution no longer exists... Actually Old Ironsides is still afloat and serving in the U.S. Navy. The ship is berthed in Boston Harbor. (URL) Kingsley (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | (...) I think he meant wasn't there a USS Constitution Lego set (that is no longer available, thus past tense). And I went through Boston without stopping to see my very favorite square-rigger. Shame on me. :-( Bryce (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) How do you ever manage to spell your last name correctly if you can't spell your first name correctly? FUT: lugnet.off-topic.fun (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | | | | (...) Haha! The truth is I can't type (note the Y is next to the U). And I worked for a company that designed not one, but two typing tutors. I still peck away with my index fingers. Byron Schlieczkberndt (oh, wait, my Mom lost that battle and I (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Frank Filz
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| | | | | | | | (...) Hmm, it looks worse, but it's got a better ratio of vowels to consonants... (1/4 instead of 1/5). (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.fun)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Kevin Knoot
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| | | | | | (...) Actually, "wasn't" was refering to a lego set which came out many years ago, as in, "was there not a USS Constitution lego set?" and which I was only vaguely familiar with. I had heard about a lego Model Team-type warship, and that it was the (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Mark Chittenden
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| | | | | | I think there are too many cases being AGAINST Lego have a non-stated non-violence policy. 1. Star Wars sets. Both Empire & Rebel models. We ALL know how well those two groups got along (and there are several sets that have figures of opposing sides (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Keith Kirchoff
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| | | | | | I agree. Just about everytheme has some form of violence worked into it. I mean, even city center sets had Jail Break Joe. Violence is kind of hard to completely avoid. Most of our society is built around action, and action more often than not (...) (23 years ago, 28-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Leonard Hoffman
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| | | | (...) ive recently read the book _Modernity and Warfare_ by pk lawrence, in it he describes air power as the apex of modern warfare, in being both aesthetic and horribly violent. the war plane itself (be it biplane, divebomber, or stealth fighter) (...) (23 years ago, 27-Jul-01, to lugnet.castle, lugnet.build.sculpture, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | | (...) That's just swiping JFC Fuller! :) Read Fuller's treatises on air power, written just after the horror of WWI, to see how much they feared the bomber. ("The bomber will always get through", all of that.) (...) It could theoretically fire (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Andrew Krug
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| | | | | | (...) LFB After reading your above statement I must ask, where do you teach at? After spending 4 (long) years at West Point I must say that hearing your previous post brings me back to my days as a cadet in one of my military history classes. I was (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Bruce Schlickbernd
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| | | | | (...) And more unpredictable. There aren't really "front lines" you can avoid - they'll hit just about anywhere. The horror of war that it is difficult to run from. (...) This isn't entirely accurate. It was used first as intelligence gathering (as (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Magnus Lauglo
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| | | | (...) dont (...) Well believe it or not, when the Wright brothers inveted the plane, they had envisioned it as something that would make war less violent, because they thought that it would allow generals to spy on each other and stuff, and avoid (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Frank Filz
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| | | | (...) Well, in some ways that's perhaps true. What were the total casualties in Iraq compared to other wars of comparable scope? While Iraq certainly reminded us of what "precision" means with respect to tossing bombs hundreds of miles, we certainly (...) (23 years ago, 30-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| | | | | | Re: Factions (and violence) —Lindsay Frederick Braun
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| | | | (...) Yes, but WWI only tore up the ground in the immediate vicinity of, say, Passchendaele, and that was over four years of intense, repeated bombardment. Beyond the first 30 miles or so of the "front," levels of destruction dropped dramatically. (...) (23 years ago, 31-Jul-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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