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Despite the fact that ldraw.org is a site about ldraw, the fact is that any new user trying to build models would almost certainly be better off running MLCad than LEdit. It's user-friendly, and Michael keeps adding more cool new features. It's my (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Good thoughts. (...) I am behind you here. The thought has crossed my mind a little to change the site's focus to more of MLCad, but I haven't had the time to impliment it. After Kidvention, I plan on inserting the site entirely into (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) How will that affect anyone else who maintains pages on www.ldraw.org? Steve (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Well, I still use LEdit as my primary editing tools, and switch between LDLite and L3Lab and L3P for rendering. I'm sure I'm not alone, either. (...) Urk. I'd recommend keeping the site LDraw-centric, but increasing the exposure of MLCad in (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) exposure (...) a (...) when (...) Perhaps what might be in order is a mainpage more geared for newbies. On it, or linked to it, could be a table of all the programs used in the "picture-making" process listed in order from the start (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) It shouldn't. I will do my best at that time to work with you and ensure that nothing changes with what you maintain. -Tim (URL) timcourtne ICQ: 23951114 (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. (...) I think that that's what I was trying to say, in a hurry, when I was probably on the phone ;) I understand that a good chunk of people find LEdit extremely useful. I'm an MLCad user, but for the next couple things I have to do in a (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw "Tom McDonald" (...) Yes. (...) Hmmm....good idea. For the CD-ROM artwork, I planned a similar chart, but this one outlining OS compatibility for the various programs offered on it. (...) Good idea(s). (...) Yeah. -Tim (...) (24 years ago, 28-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I use LEdit as my primary modeling tool, L3Lab for explorative viewing and LDLITE for final high quality rendering. I've never used a CAD style modeling tool because I sincerely believe that a keyboard interface is more efficient. Especially (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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In lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw, Travis Cobbs writes: <snip> Great thread. A few points off the top of my head, no order... <user hat on> Fred Gloeckner's comments aside (let's face it, he's way smarter than most of us at using these tools) LEdit is (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Yes. (...) Yep. That's the concensus which I gather from this thread - it needs a good balance between the new and the original, for both types of users. (...) Yeah. After Kidvention, when I start doing some changes to the site, I will (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) I've talked to a few people recently who do that, and I didn't realize actually how many of them there were. (...) Ok. (...) Would a more suitable phrase be 'Do you find the old DOS interface difficult to use, and would like to see something (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Not speaking for Frederik, but I think it's simply a matter of levels of expertise. It's not necessarily true that the old DOS interface is more difficult or bothersome, but that it appeals more to an expert user. Conversely, the MLCad UI (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) And none taken. I use too many different pieces of software to be more than a beginning level user in a lot of them. Not because I don't use them over and over, but because I have too much stuff to remember. What scares me is that I'm starting (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) with (...) I guess I'm throw in my 2cents also. I think there can be a good middle area with use of the keyboard and pointing device. I know back when I was doing AutoCAD and 3D Studio work (in the pre-windows era) that I was the most efficent (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmm, that sounds less negative to me, but since it still focuses on the negative aspects of the "old DOS interface" (which I actually think are positives rather than negatives -- go keyboard!), it seems like more of a 60 or 90 degree turn than (...) (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Try dropping the 'old' and maybe even 'DOS'. Heck, replace 'old DOS' with 'LEdit'. If you didn't mean LEdit specifically, then 'DOS's Command Line' would be another possibility. Steve (24 years ago, 29-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) Hmm. Sounds like each command-keystroke should be duplicated, so there can be a set of left-hand keys, and a set of right-hand keys. That way, no matter which hand we mouse with, we can touch-type the command-keys! :) And no, I'm not *exactly* (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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For true newbie-focusism, one of the first questions the site should answer is: "What do I need to do so I can just view LDraw models from the Web?". Steve (24 years ago, 30-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) the (...) menu. (...) Or even better do the short cut keys like Autocad where the user can customize which keys are assocated with what commands. (24 years ago, 30-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) When I first tried LDraw, this was the results: (URL) When I saw how messed up it was, I just kind of gave up until I found MLCAD. Alan (...) (24 years ago, 30-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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(...) True, but having that functionality shouldn't be used as an excuse for not making a thoughtful design for the mappings in the first place. Steve (24 years ago, 30-Jun-00, to lugnet.cad.dev.org.ldraw)
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