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Hello, (...) thousands (...) said (...) good. (...) I am sorry but I will refuse gladly this kind of PR. I don't want anyone to think I am a fanatics of something that is or was used to kill someone or something. No thanks. Go show off somewhere (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) I think it's great and wonderful for Jeff, myself! and i'm probably the biggest gun control person here! Kudos, Jeff. ps: i highly doubt the lego berreta was used to kill anyone or anything ;) pps: i'm also a big fan of fark, though it's er... (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) What about me? If you read Lugnet.Military, you'll notice that I've built a large number of WW2 aircraft. Does that mean I'm in trouble for building a MOC of something which was used 60 years ago to kill people? (...) Go show off somewhere (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) Hmmm.. funny, cause I don't see the name "Carsten" on any of my pages, so what does it have to do with you? I guess I missed the part where Beretta offered you PR for *my* designs. J (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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Hello, [Beretta build of Lego] (...) what (...) offered (...) You should start reading your own mails: (...) thousands (...) said At least I think i belong to this AFOL community. You can twist and turn it as long as you want to.. but a weapon like (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) Fortunately, people would still tend to see Lego as a toy and not a weapon IMHO. (Those who seriously consider Lego a weapon already have serious issues that this particular model won't affect one way or another.) Folks tend to associate with (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (again, i say this as a big gun control advocate) I believe many people would argue with you here. I know many gun collectors who own beretta's, and not a single one of them has killed any humans. (...) Sproat already said it, but it's worth (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) that is (...) would (...) not a (...) yah, I would be one of those people. I am also pro gun control, and yet I believe that it's not guns who kill, it's people. A gun can be used to protect, and save lives. (...) so no more pirate ships, (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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"Dan Boger" <dan@peeron.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:200111271500.fA...ldomain... (...) Yeah. An a-bomb can too... (...) more (...) These are all fictional or historical themes as you may have noticed. Show me a LEGO theme that plays in our (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) really? how do you figure? or was that sarcasm? if so, it doesn't refute my argument... (...) something like town? with bank robbers, police officers? All armed, by the way. (...) you maybe didn't tell him how to play, but you did tell him to (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I think the romanticism of violence implicit in Pirate, Castle, Wild West, and Adventurers is far worse than the desire to make as accurate as possible a model of something which happens to be a weapon, though I obviously don't actually think (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't think a single AFOL's model represents the entire AFOL community, do you? I don't think people are going to look at a Lego gun and say "Gee, if *that's* what adults do with Lego, they shouldn't have it!". And if they do, they can live (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Yeah yeah, tanks rule. Huhuhuhuhu, hehehe, huhuhu. Tanks are cool. Needless to say I also enjoy tanks, aircraft, in fact any kind of cool machinery, even gun mechanisms, just so long as I am not on the receiving end. If this makes me a nutter (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) He didn't build a weapon, as far as I can tell. He build a MODEL of one. Big difference. If he built an all plastic, working, lethal hand gun that could be assembled and disassembled from easily obtainable parts, you'd have a point. Something (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Isn't the idea of non-violent toys that we don't encourage the IDEA of violence? I mean, isn't an A-Bomb a historical weapon? Is that ok for a toy? How about a medieval torture chamber? At what point in history or fiction does a weapon (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) heh, i have it bookmarked for just the same reason. :) Along with Dave Eaton's little piano, go figure :) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Hello, "David Eaton" <deaton@intdata.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:GnH008.J1L@lugnet.com... (...) do (...) do, (...) Sorry .. i think you might understand I can't catch everything what someone might ever have built. I am interested in that one. (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) But do these themes not represent the battle of "Good" against "Bad" in a simple way? I'm not sure a *model* gun does that? Jeff's gun is a model *not* a toy. As a model it is great. It is impressive. However, I don't want one. What affirmed (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) (URL) Lego didn't really "approve", they just gave the artist permission to use the logo before realizing exactly what the project was going to be. Apparently he approached them about modelling a "hospital" initially for an artistic piece he (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I'm still kind of confused. I think you're missing a bit of the semantic language in what was said--he's implying that though his Beretta is the vehicle that piqued people's interest in LEGO anew, they've come here and seen *everything*, and (...) (23 years ago, 27-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I don't wish to sound antagonistic, at least no more so than you, Carsten, but let me remind you of something: TLC has supported LEGO weapons for quite some time, now. - LEGO broadswords for castle - LEGO greatswords for castle - LEGO spears (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) But that's just plain funny - what other sort of 1x1 cone is there? Cheers Richie Dulin (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Well, you could probably model more standard ammo with just 1x1 rounds (pun not intended!) - the stud would give the appearance of a "round" tip...use grey for the bullet & colour of your choice for the casing. ROSCO (couldn't figure out where (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I suppose you could do a 1x1 cone with an antenna piece through the middle -- you know, that ubiquitous 9-mm discarding sabot round for maximum penetrating power. :-, Cheers, - jsproat (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) I've also mentioned before the more concrete example of the Technic C3PO & storm-trooper. See here: (URL) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) My post is directed at the reply: (...) By this comment is it safe to say that you feel historical weapons and any death they caused are acceptable, but any in our "current time" are not? Weapons are an unavoidable part of our history and our (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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Even LDraw parts have references to weapons, most notably in the space department. -Mike (...) (23 years ago, 28-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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Just to put my 2 cents worth in, ANYTHING can be a weapon. You can kill some one with a fork or spoon if you try. any one against guns is nuts. the followers of christ where commanded to "arm them selfs against the enemy". peter carried his sword (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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(...) ... (...) That's your opinion. Please keep it off lugnet.cad /Tore (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.cad)
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All i can say is i will continue to exercise freedom of speach. (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Please do so, but understand that Tore is exactly correct in urging you to direct your postings to their proper groups. Despite what some may think, LUGNET is not a homogeneous and publicly-owned forum; it is private property, and those who (...) (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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in article GnKBvv.3nA@lugnet.com, Austin Greenwood at sonyplaystationgames...otmail.com wrote on 11/29/01 6:55 AM: (...) And freedum uv speling. (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) Haven't you heard? l33t-bonics is a language now! It's per-teck-ted! I m hear 4 u! *Shudder*. I feel so dirty having typed that. best LFB, Defender of the Sacred Cow^H^H^H Orthodoxy (23 years ago, 29-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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(...) 4|\||) fr33|)0|\/| 0f 7yp1|\|9! (Perhaps the point has been taken a bit far now...) Fredrik (23 years ago, 30-Nov-01, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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