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| - Insert 4 letter word - YOU WHO ---- do u think you are Mark! You copy so many ideas from everyone here and barely give credit (Storm Owl sure looks and sounds like my own OWL MOC)! AND EVER HEARD OF SOMETHING CALLED COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT!!! (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| You know, at the rate I am turning off newsgroups lately I'm not going to have much to read pretty soon. Lets calm down folks, Please. Followups to lugnet.admin.general Eric Kingsley (...) e-mails (...) them (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground, lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Yes, I do copy ideas. I try to give credit when I do. See my recent .space post regarding the Storm Owl (named for a Mega Man X4 character, not anything of yours.) where I give Colin full credit for his engine design. I also designed the (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) This _really_ doesn't apply. Copyright covers published works -- you certainly have copyright over the image you posted to brickshelf, but that's all. A patent might apply to the design, but you don't have one of those. Also, even for things (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| jeez kiddies- isn't it about time we all started playing nicey nicey? i mean i may be a newbie or whatever, but copyrights and patents? what the hell are we talking about here? mark and mladen both of you do awesome work- who cares who "steals" from (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| Woah! Take it easy Mladen. Designing models with LEGO and sharing them is lot like the entertainment industry; there is no theft it is just influence or people making tributes to a source of inspiration. This is the way you should look at it, (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) that's (...) First of all, I am not a lawyer. All of the following is based on a general understanding of the law from a layman's point of view. That being said, I'll continue As DAT's are plain text, to my understanding they can be (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha)
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| well said patrick. it seems strange to me that someone would get THAT upset about a "crime" that hasn't evn been committed, especilly when you consider that the whole mech (oops, excuse me i mean MECHA) thing is "borrowed" from or influenced by (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) I tell ya, that's all I want to do right now, especially after this bombshell I dropped. Mladen, you're entitled to wanting to keep your designs yours, but your behavior and language is way out of line. Shouting and swearing at folks for (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground, lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) So you've filled out the appropriate paper work, sent in your money to the copyright offices and waited 6 or so months for the copyright aproval of your 'product'? If not, I have some extra copyright forms you could use... ~Nathan (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| Random thoughts. 1. Mladen, you're a lego genius. I went to your web page and was knocked out. 2. Geniuses are allowed a bit of slack in my book to be temperamental. :^) 3. Still, I think that you would be better served by relaxing and toning down (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground, lugnet.admin.general)
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| So am I supposed to reply to everything that is posted on LUGNET. Fine, I'll humour you: Wow, that's the coolest models ever made! I really can't wait 'til you build some more! Hope you're happy! (...) that (...) peoples' (...) respond (...) impact (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| mladen- oh calm down! what's the matter big boy? someone not love you enough? asking for your honest input as a builder i respect only to be answered with mocking disdain is COMPLETELY uncalled for! if i were kingsley i'd ban you and your (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) <snip> (...) Me and mark were in our little lego chat room the other night when he showed me his new VTOL called the Kingfisher. I saw it and told him cool and that that was the name of a very cool VTOl by Ben Vaughn. Mark said, "really, i'll (...) (24 years ago, 19-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) You're thinking trademark. Mladen has (at least in the US) a copyright over anything he has created. One can *register* a copyright, which makes it much easier to defend in a court of law, but one does not need to register to actually hold a (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) Just say on your web site "I was inspired by So-and-so's cool design for the blah blah part of this castle." (...) Well, and of course point (D), which is that even if they say no, it's not like they have a legal (or perhaps even moral) claim (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground, lugnet.admin.general)
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| (...) Sure, the jpg images are copyrighted. I don't think that the design for a model expressed therein necessarily is. (I'm not a lawyer, but if I were, I'm sure I could dredge up some precedent / example here. There was a special exception added (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) To further clarify: this is what design patents are for. (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:48 -0600, Mladen Pejic wrote (in message <FxyMpo.D1L@lugnet.com>): (...) Oh, Mladen...I'm so disappointed. Next, I suppose you'll be holding your breath until everyone does what you want? My respect for your designs remains (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) Bad form. Repetition of this kind can lead to suspension from a group. It's happened before. (...) Technically, it's copyright infringement to use a piece in the same way that Lego uses a piece in an official set. I'm so glad they don't really (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) Exactly right. Further the copyright is by default! That is, you have to disclaim it to immediately put something in the public domain. And I believe in the US, at least, an explicit assertion is not required, although it helps protect your (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| (...) Right. As of March 1989, published works do not need to have a copyright notice in order to gain protection. However, it's still good to put it there, because apparently "I didn't know that was copyrighted" has been a successful legal defense (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground, lugnet.publish)
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| (...) Um, check on that? IANAL* but I have heard that the c-in-a-circle is not a good substitute for writing out thw word 'copyright'. I could be misremembering, however - it may have been using (c) (like, in a plan text file) that was not (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) Indeed. Thanks for the reminder. (...) No, I wouldn't make that claim at all. It has happened already, in fact. I may not like it but so what? I said as much in a post to off-topic.debate (this slugfest is wriggling around to a lot of (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.publish, lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) You should have *both*: Copyright © 2000 Matthew Miller. All Rights Reserved. The last phrase doesn't do anything in the US, but apparently is good to have for some other countries. (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.publish)
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| (...) Hey look; it's me and Larry in complete agreement. :) The DMCA apparently has a new form of intellectual property for the design of boat hulls. (From what I've read, yes, it is that limited and special purpose. If anyone has any more info on (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) They do not look alike at all. Are you telling us we can't build any transport aircraft or use 'OWL' is a name because you used it first? Just because you used click-hinge in legs does not means other people can't use it. (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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| I'm fascinated by all of this, because I know almost nothing about the subject! In lugnet.publish, Larry Pieniazek writes of his quite cool design: (...) Isn't there some law allowing a consumer to copy a CD or tape for his/her own use as long as (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| (...) subject! (...) discount (...) I'm not sure either... But I don't think that's quite correct. if I buy a CD, I don't think I have the right to have it playing in both my car and my house at the same time. I could be wrong though. I'm pretty (...) (24 years ago, 20-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| I have to say that I am glad that Larry has chosen to allow one to purchase the rights to make unlimited copies for personal use. This has allowed me to take the extra step to recognize Larry's contributions by actually buying a copy of the (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.off-topic.debate)
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| I don't know why, but an image instantly appeared on my mind. It's about someone who can't walk easily since whose own legs inserted his own back.. Selçuk (...) (24 years ago, 21-Jul-00, to lugnet.build.mecha, lugnet.underground)
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