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Re: auction vs non-auction double standard?
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Wed, 12 Apr 2000 16:19:50 GMT
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In lugnet.admin.terms, Todd Lehman writes:
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Some things to figure out would be:

How do you define "market traffic"?  It would be very bad, for example, to
prohibit .market.shopping types of posts in the .loc groups or in .general
(notifications of sales, or information about what sets are currently
available at local stores, etc.).  These types of informational postsings
are one of the lifebloods of .loc groups.

Yup, I agree.  I was mostly speaking to the .theme groups, I suppose.  They
are more inherently discussion - the .loc groups are a different mammal, in
several ways.

How do you define "flogs"?  It would work out OK to prohibit "icky" self-
serving market-style stuff, if that could be defined clearly.  But there are
so many gray areas with that...

Which of the following, for example, would you prefer to see allowed in non-
market groups?

Well, ok.  I've noted which groups I feel are appropriate below...

*  "How many different colors of 2x4x3 flibber-globbits have ever been made?"

.general - if the post doesn't have more than this, it's a request for info.

*  "What sets have red 2x4x3 flibber-globbits?  I need to find a couple for
  a project I'm working on."

.general, x-posted to .market(.shopping/.appraisal/.bst)

*  "Where can I buy 2x4x3 flibber-globbits (any color)?  I desperately need
  a few for spaceship I'm working on."

.market, could be x-psoted to .space if there was more about the spaceship.

*  "Want to buy several 2x4x3 flibber-globbits.  Willing to pay $.35 each for
  red or $.40 each for white or black.  Email me.  This is for a giant space
  ship project I'm working on."

.market.bst

*  "I just got back from Toy Swindler on 7th Avenue (downtown)...through
  Friday this week they're having a BOGO (Buy One, Get One) sale on LEGO and
  they have 18 copies of the Majestic Hoglauncher (this is the set with TWO
  red 2x4x3 flibber-globbits!)  Anyone here in town wanna go in with me on
  these 18 copies and split the parts?  We could meet for lunch across the
  street at Soup Garden afterwards and divide stuff up."

.loc.foo

*  "OK, I just picked up the 18 copies of Majestic Hoglauncher at Toy
  Swindler's BOGO sale (and MAN was it packed during lunch today), and kept
  out the parts I really wanted the most (list attached below).  Is there
  anyone in the area who'd like to get together and go through the remainder
  of the parts?  I'd be happy to sell them on the spot if it helps me cover
  some of my costs."

.loc.foo

*  "I'm having a garage sale on Saturday, 7:00am to dusk; e-mail me for
  directions.  There will be lots of LEGO there (stuff I'm not particularly
  interested in, that I found at other garage sales) so come early.  Might
  also hold a quick impromptu auction or two right there in the driveway if
  there are any disputes over who gets what...heh heh."

.loc.foo  (the auction reference sounds and looks, IMO, like humour)

*  "I just finally acquired a copy of 1593 yesterday, which makes me 99.5%
  Space-complete (yay!)...but it's missing some of the pieces...  I'd like
  to replace them from old sets, if possible, but I'm not sure which sets
  some of the pieces came from.  Here's a list of the missing ones... [list]
  Any hints or tips in figuring out what sets had these would be greatly
  appreciated.  (Or if you happen to have spares and would like to trade or
  sell them, drop me a note!)"

.market.bst, x-posted to .space  -This is a very grey area post, and as a one-
off, should be taken at face value (request for info), but if the poster does
this sort of post repeatedly, it may be worthwhile asking them to post more
clearly.

I just feel that there would be less confusion if all of the market traffic
was treated the same way.  Auctions are personally more noise to me because
they limit my options (must have money) as opposed to trades (must have
money/sets/parts/whatever), but IMO, both of them are equally inappropriate
and equally noise for a group aimed at discussion.  Recently, I've been
finding bst posts more "offensive" than auction posts - but that's only
because I've seen more of them.

James
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(...) "I desperately need a few 2x4x3 flibber-globbits (any color) for spaceship I'm working on. If you've got some, check out my post in .market.bst." Ok in .space? (25 years ago, 12-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.terms)  

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(...) I disagree that there is a "double-standard" (but that's just wording), but I agree that it would go a long way toward eliminating gray areas -- if the boundaries could be defined clearly (which I'm very skeptical of). Some things to figure (...) (25 years ago, 11-Apr-00, to lugnet.admin.terms) ! 

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