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(...) Not necessarily. LUGNET does not have this ability, as I understand it. It is possible to construct an email that shows the "from:" as being from a lugnet.com email address, but, again, as I understand it, not to have the email actually be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I assume you mean they, the (other) admins? (...) Well maybe, but I'm not sure "should be expected to come to consensus" is very useful here. What if a majority do agree that an admin is a problem, but they can't all come to a consensus? At (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) The admin team has worked on a consensus basis, and the theory (OK, my theory) was that if a fellow admin was problematic enough to need to be removed, they would be the ones that would need to agree about it. A majority vote system might be (...) (20 years ago, 25-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I would be interested to hear the rationale behind that statement, specifically why it is more of a safety valve than majority decision. The reason I ask is that I, as a non-admin, see it as *removing* a safety valve. ROSCO (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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Just to make things clear...the views I expressed are my own, and not indicative of the rest on NELUG. Tom D (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I think that's accurate, yes. (...) Playing devil's advocate, I would ask why you would expect that as a right? It's not a right I think you would expect from most other people. For example, I don't expect fair and just treatment from the (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Could you clarify that a bit? Why should it not be technically possible to have official emails coming from the lugnet.com domain? That's a very basic ability of any serious website. If you mean that it is sometimes inconvenient to send emails (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) This is explained clearly in the ToU, and in a previous post. (...) The main admin page lists all the LTT as @lugnet.com. I've done nothing to prevent those email addresses. If official Admin accounts are not able to send email on a particular (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Whatever. But the issue remains, whose responsibility is it to ensure email communication works? LUGNET and the LUGNET admins? Or the user? This issue has come up before and while the admins will do what they can, it's not their responsibility (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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In lugnet.admin.general, Larry Pieniazek wrote: <snip> (...) I'm sure you do. (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's not accurate. What IS accurate is that when I discovered there was a problem, I talked to my support and based on what they told me then, I said to you that the problem was at your end. Later on, you insinuated that I was deliberately (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I don't think that looking at only priveledges is a more accurate way to look at these issues. I think you only address part of the issue. The P&P and ToU already define everything as priveledges, but this means they can be taken away. Rights (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) Yes, I know this, *and* I knew it that time that Larry tried to make it look like my fault by saying the problem was on my end. Have to admit, he's good at spin. (...) I don't won't accept any unofficial email warnings. Otherwise the emails (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) That's mostly accurate, I would add "or one or more site owner(s) remove a staff member from their position." The reason it's stated in such a way stems from the current structure of LUGNET ownership... Todd and Suzanne are the owners of (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) I missed the significance of this on the first reading, but it got me thinking: Eventually, I assume the LUGNET Transition Team is going to hand over control to some other governing body once it gets sorted what the future for LUGNET is going (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX)
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(...) I think it is outrageous to completely ignore someone's input because you don't like them. Larry has told me that I am a "button pusher" and that my "opinion carries less and less weight with [him] over time" Disagree with the admins once, and (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general, FTX) !
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(...) Just to let you know, this feeling is not limited to NELUG. In fact it is an international concern. If Larry were not an admin I wouldn't care, but he *is* and admin and therefore it affects LUGNET significantly. Unfortunatly there is no (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !
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I have been around LUGNET since the beginning. I don't really post much, hell, I don't think I've posted in over a year. But I do have an opinion on this subject..and here it is (probably ban worthy...but who cares, all the infighting here makes it (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general) !!
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(...) Ok - but that doesn't change my point. It's out of YOUR control if Yahoo accepts messages from Larry's server. You'd have no way of knowing if it does or doesn't until you actually are sent one. On the other hand, you KNOW that mail from (...) (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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(...) For the sake of accuracy, the server at Larry's end was working fine. Due to address similarities to popular SPAMmer addresses, Yahoo dropped the email. This is accruate, right Larry? Kevin (20 years ago, 24-Apr-05, to lugnet.admin.general)
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